This Saturday, it will have been 50 years since Emily Post, distinguished etiquette expert, passed away. If her name doesn't sound familiar, you're not alone. In a recent Vanity Fair poll, 40 percent of 18-to-44-year-olds had no idea what Emily Post was known for, which left us wondering: Are her rules on etiquette still relevant?
We decided to revisit some of her advice to see if it still applied to a modern girl's life in 2010. Carrying bundles, returning house calls as a newlywed, writing letters, approaching a group of strangers at a party -- what of Post still matters today, and what seems antiquated and ridiculous?
To aid us in our quest, we decided to read "Etiquette in Society, in Business, in Politics, and at Home," which is available to read online -- adorable, considering that it was published in 1922.
A lot of the topics she covers (including one long section on how to keep your fan, gloves and napkin on your lap at fancy dinner parties -- tsk tsk!) seem unimportant at best, but some still ring true. So, without further ado, here are some of the most relevant -- and some of the most laughable -- things Emily Post ever taught us.
Fashion
Post had strong opinions about style. For men, she recommended a variation of suits for everywhere except the "country," where a man should only wear breeches and polished leather riding boots. Sounds dreamy to those of who date men surgically attached to their hoodies.
But her thoughts on female style are much more relevant. It was her belief that most women were fashion sheep -- either they dressed "quietly" and faded into the background, or they dressed so trendily that they all looked exactly the same. She encouraged ladies to take the trends and personalize them. In other words, "Those whom the fashion suits are 'smart,' but they are seldom, if ever, distinguished, because -- they are all precisely alike." Keep that in mind, insane hipsters -- if everyone dresses exactly like Elaine Benes from "Seinfeld," everyone looks ridiculous.
Weddings
I don't know about you ladies, but while planning my nuptials, my mother would constantly intone these bizarre rules to me about invitations and gift tables and flowers, as if invoking some oracle ... and my wedding was a hybrid Muslim ceremony in a house. That oracle was all Emily Post. While her advice on wedding etiquette might be a bit outdated, her advice on the most important ingredient in a ceremony still holds up: "No other quality of a bride's expression is so beautiful as radiance; that visible proof of perfect happiness which endears its possessor to all beholders and gives to the simplest little wedding complete beauty."
Conversation Skills
Post had lots to say about how people should interact with each other, and after digging through all the complicated stuff about when to doff a hat or curtsy, her basic advice is sound. She encourages people to think about whether or not what they have to say will be interesting to the people around them. Don't repeat yourself; let other people talk; don't veer into controversial topics; and don't pretend to know more than you do. "To say you have read a book and then seemingly to understand nothing of what you have read, proves you a half-wit. Only the very small mind hesitates to say 'I don't know.'" Amen! She also has words for 1920s New Yorkers that may, ahem, still apply: "It is mortifyingly true; no one is so ignorantly indifferent to everything outside his or her own personal concern as the socially fashionable New Yorker, unless it is the Londoner!"
At a Live Performance
"Etiquette in Society" has lots of rules about arriving at a theater performance, whether or not it's OK for a woman to attend with a man who is not her husband (spoiler alert: it isn't), how to dress at the theater, etc., but her two biggest lessons were to shut up and to be on time. "If Mary and Johnny and Susy and Tommy want to talk and giggle, why not arrange chairs in rows for them in a drawing-room, turn on a phonograph as an accompaniment and let them sit there and chatter! ... Nothing is more unfair to others who are keen about whatever it is you are going to see, than to make them miss the beginning of a performance through your thoughtless selfishness." We couldn't have said it better, Emily.
Introductions
Emily Post loved all the formalities that went along with meeting new people and addressing them properly. "The younger
person is always presented to the older or more distinguished, but a gentleman is always presented to a lady, even though he is an old gentleman of great distinction and the lady a mere slip of a girl." Duly noted. Many chapters are spent arranging people in a hierarchy of how they should be presented to each other, and then detailing how to give each person a calling card so that they may contact you again. It's rare these days that I meet someone whom I don't already know in some capacity online, and rarer still that I have to ask someone how to contact her. How horrified Ms. Post would have been at me, saying, "I've seen your YouTube videos! Are we friends already on Facebook?" to someone I've just met at a party. Such is the modern age.Dating
Very little is discussed about actual courtship, whereas engagement parties and wedding etiquette are given two full chapters. What a difference from now, when we are all more concerned with getting to know a person before deciding to marry them. The huge effort put into the ceremony and ritual is now being put into the actual relationship, which is a wonderful change. Back then, an unmarried girl was to have a chaperone if she even thought about talking to an unmarried man, there solely to protect the girl from any danger or wagging tongues. Modern girls, Post admits, have taken to hanging out in co-ed groups, all acting as chaperones for each other. This is okay with her, but once a couple decides they want to marry, "it is the immediate duty of the man to go to the girl's father or her guardian, and ask his consent. If her father refuses, the engagement cannot exist." If we lived by these rules, daytime talk shows wouldn't exist.
Mustn't
Emily Post is full of "mustn'ts." "A lady mustn't carry a bundle of anything on the streets, but if she has to, a man must carry it for her. A fat woman mustn't wear light-colored or tailored clothes. If a man doesn't enjoy the conversation a lady has offered, a woman mustn't be offended, but rather keep fishing for topics he might find agreeable. A woman must never lean on anything -- she must sit with "her hands relaxed in her lap, her knees together, or if crossed, her foot must not be thrust forward so as to leave a space between the heel and her other ankle." We might have lost some formality over the years, but thank god, we've also lost the crippling sense of always doing something wrong.
Houses
This section seemed the most outdated to me, and is the strongest hint that etiquette might have been a luxury that only the rich could afford. Houses were to be stocked with the most lavish items possible, with no furnishings or decor around merely for sentimental value ("We would not have to be told of their hideousness were they seen by us in the house of another"). A house must have servants on hand to collect a visitor's things when they visit, but if you are not rich enough to employ help, no worry! "The fact that you live in a house with two servants, or in an apartment with only one, need not imply that your house lacks charm or even distinction...." Whew, thanks for the reassurance! People entertained at home much more back then, and while the idea of hosting a social salon sounds charming, I would much rather have a comfy home where friends feel okay about stopping by, eating a burrito, and gossiping while watching a bad movie.
It's easy to make fun of hoity-toity 1920s society, but the fact remains that Emily Post has been a household fixture for 80 years for a reason. She set the rules for the rest of us to aspire to, and in doing so, she took a lot of the guesswork out of awkward social interactions. We could probably use her for modern awkward situations, like changing relationship statuses on Facebook, handling that friend that always gets trashed and expects you to care for her, the over-sharing Tweeter, etc. and so on. There will always be a need for social graces, and Emily Post's most basic rule, never do anything that is unpleasant to others, is just as necessary today as it was back then.
Emily Gordon is a Lemondrop contributor, blogger and journalist who lives in Los Angeles. She has impeccable manners.













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Saturday 25 September
By ricard nicoletti
It's too bad we don't follow her advice today. We've gone off the deep end ... too loose on fashion, etiquette and morals.
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Sunday 26 September
By TexOCraT
Dear Mr. Nicoletti,
You said, "It's too bad we don't follow her advice today. We've gone off the deep end ... too loose on fashion, etiquette and morals."
Do me this favor: study Ms. Gordon's article--particularly her thoughts on home behavior. I'm originally from a part of West Texas where "homes" frequently have names (e.g., "Rancho Santa Fe," "Casa Del Mar"). I'll bet you dollars to dog-nuts that you won’t find "Lemon-drop" or "Red-hot" on anyone's gate (or gatehouse, as the case may be). Names like "Casa de Lemondrop" or "Rancho de Lemondrop"--or at the extreme "Red Hot Casa" are not going to be found. It would be like going up Mandeville Canyon and looking for "Rancho de Governator."
Luck has smiled upon the two of us. We should keep this in mind, particularly during the holidays. We must set a good example. After all, being watched isn’t half bad. In fact, I like it. What’s sad is that West L. A. today is ten times worse than New York and London ever were.
Saturday 25 September
By Les
Ricard,
How right you are. I grew up in a Southern family in the states and this book was on the shelf at the houses of my grandmothers, great aunts, aunts and my own dear mother as well. I have my own copy too that I shall pass on to my daughter when she marries. Where would my generation have been without a mother that had no Emily Post? The younger generation of today needs to be reminded of how well mannered people acted and should still act today.
Saturday 25 September
By Tigerlily
I agree. If we used some kind of rules and actually respected one another maybe we wouldn't have so many people afflicted with STDs. Emily Post is truly needed today.
Saturday 25 September
By Kim Burke
Are you serious? In this world today, people are lucky if they remember to have morals and a conscience let alone proper etiquette... Our society has gone to the animals, most of which have more of all three qualities, naturally!
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Saturday 25 September
By Ms Manners
I do believe in some of the old fashioned rules, but, with a new twist.
Use Common Courtesy with the Pople around You to Be Polite!
Kids today and even most adults, have lost there sence of manners.
I Live in New York, Nassau County, Long Island to be Exact. It is
Mind blowing the inconsiderate people out there. A Simple Smile
gets you a dirty look, like,"What the Hell are You Looking At?" Holding
a Door Open? Are You on Crack> Or If You Hold the Door for someone
Especailly a Man...No Thank You! But I, always say Loudly...Your Welcome!
Then the Dirty Look! Parents are so into letting their kids run and scream
whereever..A Hello...I didn't go out to eat to hear your Kid Scream! I think
they should Pay for My Meal as a Courtesy if they Can't Control their own
off spring. Teach them Manners to sit quietly, bring crayon's anything to
keep them occupied. Don't Even Go There With, Teenager's. The Tattoos
and body pierceings. OMG. My mother would have ripped them off and
disowned me if i ever had a Tat,*anywhere. I say bring back, corproal
punishment. I got beat with a belt, wooden spoon,whatever was in reach.
I think I am Better person for Being, "Taken Care Of" It's Not a Bad thing
to Have Manners!
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Saturday 25 September
By Barb
two things:
I can't imagine sitting like that all the time.
I've been noticing that more and more people are not capitalizing "God". What is that all about?
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Saturday 25 September
By Victor
Although a lot of the details are outdated, the gist still hold true! I hate it when you hear things like "It's a new generation", or "It's 2010 not 1950". That to me seems like a cop out to behave with disregard for others.
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Saturday 25 September
By Alicia
Agreed. I disagree with the need for total formality and with most of the "mustn'ts" but common courtesy and respect are as important today as ever and that's what Emily Post stressed.
Saturday 25 September
By JoJo
Yes, some of these rules might seem strange today, but good manners and kindness never go out of style.
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Saturday 25 September
By chrise9885
I agree with your post.
Today, manners and politeness are sorely missing. Even "please" and "thank you" are alien concepts for many.
If I had behaved like many I see today, I would have been reprimanded and paid the price when I got home.
Saturday 25 September
By stjack
I read a book on the influenza plague, once. it seems that parlors were used to present the deceased before the funeral. When the Spanish Flu plague had ended, Emily Post stated that the parlor was no longer a room for the dead, but a room for the living. Hence the term "living room" entered our vocabulary. But in some real estate markets, the term "parlor" as a room for visitors is returning.
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Saturday 25 September
By Steephen
Curious, that. I never knew that that was how the expression "living room" began. Perhaps we'll all adjourn after dinner to our parlors, and take our seats on the divan (former name for "sofa" or "couch").
Saturday 25 September
By Tigerlily
That's true. I believe Emily Post was correct. Everything that we see happening today is because we don't respect each other. If we all adhered to her social etiquette we would be much better off. And it should be a living room and not a parlor. Good for her. She was generations beyond her time.
Saturday 25 September
By Bella
Wow, I think we've come a long way and to be honest I'm not sure we have become much smarter? Gone are the days when women were pursued and it's just as different for men, they usually don't even get to pursue a woman. Today women are taught to be independent and mingle. Men and women go from relationship to relationship when things get boring.
I am divorced and in my fifties and find the same thing going on even though we are older. I've noticed that very few men want a committed relationship, they want to play the field. This is frustrating because "how many years do we have let to play?" LOL Seriously?
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Saturday 25 September
By arthur lee davis
Much truth and well stated in both of your paragraphs . The latter, does give notice, if by the half century mark, one hasn`t learn, perhaps it is time, to do so, for
there may be little time left to mend one`s way .
Saturday 25 September
By Evelyne
Well, I do think we have become dummer and irracible and sometimes really nasty to other people. I don't see any manners around me at all.
It would be really good if someone wrote a new Etiquettes Book with real manners for our times. Even Miss Manners is not so "nice" for nowadays.
Manners get acquired while young. But the youngs nowadays are mainly little savages...
Saturday 25 September
By Tigerlily
Men suck. Today's man is all about himself and no one else. We woman have been told we have to be like men. Yikers! NO. God made women to be like a prize for men but because we bought into the whole discusting rigmorale of today we are becoming pathetic losers. Men use us and throw us away like tissue paper. We have to go back to when women were treated like they should be and not like trash. Good luck to you in your future and just remember he's the loser not you.
Saturday 25 September
By Alicia
See, that's one of the things I disagree with here. I don't think young women mingling or pursuing men instead of vice versa is negative. I like that there is no social obligation to remain in a long-term relationship and I like that I don't have to wait for a man to get the hint. I enjoy being independent and self-sufficient and seeking the company of men for company's sake. It's in romance that Emily Post becomes the most outdated and is best ignored. Do I think that young women need to have more self-respect? Definitely. However, for the confident, comfortable young woman, today's romantic norms allow for more freedom, rather than being oppressive.
Saturday 25 September
By aroldfut
Emily Post doesn't translate these days because she promoted respect, morality, the art of conversation and teaching children the importance of family traditions and human sacrifice alive. For those who think we're better off without her perspective, enjoy your STDs, AIDS, drugs, and welfare for the children of your broken relationships.
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