
This week John and Emily discuss the age-old problem of double standards in appearances.

Guy Voice: John DeVore
No, not all men are that shallow. Some of us look at the world like it's a great big glorious buffet of choices -- we love all sorts of women: beanpoles, Earth goddesses, lady hobbits and curvy ones. But to me, this guy isn't shallow -- he just lacks perspective. It sounds like he needs to look in the mirror and work on his self-awareness. He's like a Cyclops who won't date a woman with an eye patch. I mean, there's a difference between a preference and a fantasy. I'll go out on a limb and state that this guy probably never gets laid. He's got a regimented fantasy list of predetermined variables that he will never find. Maybe this is his subconscious realizing his immaturity and doing some behind-the-mental-scenes stuff to keep him off the market, sparing girls his BS.
There are many people who settle for fantasy instead of reality because it keeps them from having to confront truths about themselves. In the case of this guy, it's the truth that he's a chubbasaurus. A bronut. What he needs is some woman to gently tell him she doesn't date stuffed pizza crusts. But that probably won't happen. Women are more forgiving of male flaws, which presents its own host of problems.
Men, on the other hand, sometimes live in a special echo chamber of entitlement where they feel justified chasing an impossible ideal. This chase might be tied to self-esteem issues, or pack dog groupthink, or just a stunning lack of imagination. It's no way to try to live a happy life, that's for sure.
This guy did you a huge favor, by the way. There is no way you, or any woman, will ever live up to his ridiculous expectations. What he did, unknowingly, was warn you not to even try to win his favor. Move on with an open heart.

Girl Voice: Emily Gordon
For once, John, and I are actually in total agreement. This creep does lack perspective, and much like how certain butterflies' bright markings warn predators that they're poisonous, he was really just giving you a modern evolutionary sign that he isn't worth your time. Clearly, this guy has been watching TV shows like "According to Jim," "King of Queens," "Still Standing," etc., which lead him to think that gorgeous women just adore being with chubby, bumbling men. And although John may be right that this guy is chasing an ideal because it keeps him from having to admit to himself that he's overweight, it may also be an excellent way to keep from ever having to be in a relationship. If you're a girl who always goes after the most aloof bad boys while ignoring the very nice guys who would dote on you, you know what I'm talking about. When part of you knows you're not ready to really give yourself to someone else emotionally, you'll find yourself attracted to people who are constantly unavailable to you. Again, it's nature's way.
As amazingly fun as it would have been to look him in the eye after that comment and say, "Well, luckily for you, I can be attracted to tubby men," it would have forced you to sink to his level. Don't take this incident as anything other than what it was: You met a man who's afraid of commitment and trying not to admit it. Don't take it personally, and certainly don't feel the need to give your measurements in a Guyspeak question to prove to us that you aren't fat. We love you regardless.
To answer your question: No, not all men are that shallow, but men who are afraid of commitment will find a million shallow reasons to justify their behavior. Keep your chin up and move on to the next guy. While you're at it, remember to make sure that your standards for men worth dating are being met, too.












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Friday 04 June
By Elaine
To the thin girl who got turned down by a heavy guy. The reason why he denied you is because he is intimidated by you. He probably felt he couldn't mold you into some moron waiting on him hand, foot and even down his pants. He knew that if you knew the real deal about him you would call him a piece of garbage. He would have been lucky to have you because believe me, as a big girl that I am, we are looked and treated like we should be shot out to pasture. We are not exactly the kind of people a thin person, for the most part, would desire. He did you a favor dear. If you see him again, say Hey sorry you and I can't talk you are too much of a fat F*** to be in my social circle. Now White Castle is right down the block, go eat your sorrows to a happy 10 more pounds. Mission Accomplished. Good Luck
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Wednesday 16 June
By Tara
Is a Hefty Guy Allowed to Say He Only Wants to Date Skinny Girls? I saw your comment, and loved it. You are hillarious and made that girl feel good about herself. Have you ever thought about becoming a writer?
Friday 04 June
By monkee-boi
115 is not fat and is 225 is big then I'm in trouble, but c'mon any guy knows that two fat people rolling around is kinda gross. A big gal and a little guy no prob's, a little gal and big ole man bear, kudos! The only thing you want to avoid is two people of equal height and weight-that's just boring!
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Saturday 05 June
By Donkeyrock
So the football player is an asshole for having a preference in the appearance of a woman he dates? Typical male bashing ensues with great glee by our two Sex in the City extras, while commiserating with the girl makes them feel empowered. Maybe he was being nice to the girl and letting her down easy because she's actually quite ugly. Regardless, the two "debaters" agree with each other and go on to bash this dude's looks because he doesn't like some girl's looks. Such hypocrisy is stunning when laid so bare, but not unexpected.
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Saturday 05 June
By Hannah
I completely agree with Donkeyrock. Everyone has their personal tastes. I know plenty of girls who wont date a guy unless he is over 6'3'', or has a rippling 24 pack. It just is what it is.
Sunday 06 June
By Rhuebekah
This article sucks! I agree with Donkeyrock. My bf is the same way. He is a football player that only dates thin girls like me. It is his preferences. Some guys only date 5'8 and up blondes and some guys only date girls above a b cup. I think the thin rule is pretty awesome lol Everyone has their preferences... I wouldn't date a short guy 5'11 and under and I'm well below 5'11. I guess I'm a jerk w/ no self esteem..... :)-
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Sunday 06 June
By Sandra
I was married to a heavy guy for 22 yrs and then after my marrage ended I started dating another heavy guy, I'm 5'6 140lbs.. I'm attracted to guys whom make me laugh so that was my attraction.. But I will say this my ex husband had a lot of bad traits which made the marriage not always pleasant.. Then my ex boyfriend whom I dated 2yrs after my marriage ended... Now this guy was so much fun to be around but the real kicker here is the whole time we were together he was lying and cheating on me... And Let me tell you that was a huge ego blow for someone like me... So I've sworn big heavy guy"s OFF, no more heavy guys for or me....
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Sunday 06 June
By Paul Wall
I think it's one of three reasons a heavy guy would date a skinny woman:
1- He genuinely thinks skinny, unhealthy women are more attractive.
2- He likes to be able to overpower the woman as a show of his manly power or
3- He thinks she'll draw attention away from own bulk.
I've seen attractive women who are overweight, skinny, young, old, smart, stupid, etc. and I treat them like ladies. If I'm sounding hostile, just wonder how this guy treats women when he already makes it clear most women who might approach him will be rejected.
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Sunday 06 June
By Tatiana
I don't think it's the fact that this guy has a preference for the women he dates that's sickening (at least to me). I understand that people have preferences. It's the fact that he told her on the first date, even though she is skinny. Probably making her feel that she's not skinny or good enough for him which is something no person should do. It doesn't sound like they went out again something she probably decided after he told her that comment. Like she would turn around and be like "great you should tell everyone you only date thin girls". Maybe he told her that to "break it gently" that it wouldn't work if she ever got fat and that is the disgusting part.
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Monday 07 June
By Jason M
John Devore and Emily Gordon, you are both completely full of it. Your "advice" is nothing more than cliche pop psychology crudely wielded to bash someone you've never met. Guy doesn't like fat girls....therefore, is afraid of commitment? Seriously? To the person who asked this question, you can disregard the "advice" from our two esteemed columnists. Bashing the male in question is not advice and accomplishes nothing. I'm no guru, but here's my take on it:
You need to ask yourself why you expect a fat guy to not be allowed to have preferences. If he were smoking hot, would you have similar thoughts? I doubt it. You think it's shallow that he judges you for your weight, and you're right, it is. What you need to realize, however, is that you've also made a value judgement on him based on his weight as well.
The second thing you need to ask yourself is why the outrage? Doesn't it strike you as odd to date a "less desirable" guy then be shocked that he has standards? Were you expecting him NOT to have standards? I think so. Which brings us to the real crux of the problem: your self-esteem. You went out with this guy because you felt his diminished physical value made it impossible for him to reject you. And you were wrong.
The solution isn't in whom you date, it's with how you perceive yourself. If I were you, I'd worry less about how you look, and more about what you want to do with your life. Just the act of shifting your focus from the shallow to things that really matter will do wonders.
Oh, and one more stroke of gibberish from our esteemed "advice" columnists:
"Women are more forgiving of male flaws" --- John Devore
John, it's called nagging. Look it up.
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Monday 14 June
By Lauren
Half of your comment was "cliche pop psychology." We get three lines form the girl and you're diagnosing her self-esteem issues. Get over yourself.
Monday 07 June
By JasonM
John Devore and Emily Gordon, you are both completely full of it. Your "advice" is nothing more than cliche pop psychology crudely wielded to bash someone you've never met. Guy doesn't like fat girls....therefore, is afraid of commitment? Seriously? To the person who asked this question, you can disregard the "advice" from our two esteemed columnists. Bashing the male in question is not advice and accomplishes nothing. I'm no guru, but here's my take on it:
You need to ask yourself why you expect a fat guy to not be allowed to have preferences. If he were smoking hot, would you have similar thoughts? I doubt it. You think it's shallow that he judges you for your weight, and you're right, it is. What you need to realize, however, is that you've also made a value judgement on him based on his weight as well.
The second thing you need to ask yourself is why the outrage? Doesn't it strike you as odd to date a "less desirable" guy then be shocked that he has standards? Were you expecting him NOT to have standards? I think so. Which brings us to the real crux of the problem: your self-esteem. You went out with this guy because you felt his diminished physical value made it impossible for him to reject you. And you were wrong.
The solution isn't in whom you date, it's with how you perceive yourself. If I were you, I'd worry less about how you look, and more about what you want to do with your life. Just the act of shifting your focus from the shallow to things that really matter will do wonders.
Oh, and one more stroke of gibberish from our esteemed "advice" columnists:
"Women are more forgiving of male flaws" --- John Devore
John, it's called nagging. Look it up.
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Monday 07 June
By Rebecca
That is stupid advice. People are allowed to have standards no matter what. That you judge him on his weight speaks volumes about you.
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Monday 07 June
By harold
I have learned over the years (60 of the damned things.....) that we have little choice over whom we are attracted. In most cases, however, it is more about personalities than physical attributes. In my case, as my children remind me once in a while, I married the same woman twice. Looks different, etc. but acts the same.
So, if the Hefter was not interested in this woman because he perceived 5-1 and 115 as too big, what the hell did he ask her out for? Could he be a more lame guy? And was he raised by Dutch Uncles? Where was his mother in all this to slap him silly when he would say something this insulting to a woman? It is all a mystery.....
On the other hand, I do have to admit both my wives have world class asses, even if they are completely different looking asses. Ah, youth!
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Wednesday 09 June
By Sarah
Why does everyone assume that if a chubby person is attracted to a slimmer person it means they're shallow or avoiding intimacy? If a slim man says he likes chubby girls, no one seems to be bothered by that.
Everyone has a certain checklist in their head of what they want their other person to be like, whether it's a particular hair color, their weight, if they can make them laugh, etc.
While this particular guy didn’t go for her even though she’s not fat, he might not have just felt a connection with her. Or maybe he is a prick. This situation can go either way, because not every person does things for the same reason. I just don’t care for it when people assume things in particular situations such as this.
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Thursday 10 June
By Crystal
What isn't taken into consideration is that 115 lbs on a 5'1 person is really skinny. That is right in her BMI. She wouldn't be healthy if she weighed much less. So any guy who is going to call her fat isn't a nice guy to begin with.
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Thursday 10 June
By skk
Why are all of you bashing on the authors for simply saying that people should be more openminded about who they date (at least when it comes to physical traits)? I know that I too used to have a mental checklist on the physical traits my potential boyfriend(s) must have: at least a head taller than me, dark hair, light eyes, and with lots of muscles. Of course, this was when I was 15, 16 years old. Now, a quite a few years later, I've found the love of my life in a man who's only about 2 inches taller than me, is skinny, and has dark brown eyes.
Of course people have preferences on what they like and don't like. What I'm saying is those physical preferences shouldn't be a dealbreaker for anyone. Love is not just physical, it has a very large emotional and mental side as well.
And on a side note, the guy described in the article seems to have much more rigid and strict physical preferences than alot of people, and I definitely would have gotten offended if a man had said something like that to me.
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Thursday 10 June
By Anne
Im wondering if some of you or the advice givers read the same question I did? First...when did a 6' 225lb man become 'heavy'? Some of you act like he is hugely obese and 6' 225lb where I come from would not be even be considered heavy much less obese. It is obvious since he went on a date with this woman that in his opinion she was thin. It looks as if during the conversation he simply stated his preference..which she fit as far as physical looks. It also appears that at some point during the date he realized that even though she is thin ( smart, funny, caring and attractive) that he did not want to become romantically involved with her and in my opinion was being honest by saying so instead of pretending that he would call for a second date. I have gone on dates with guys that would be considered 'hot' that I would not want to see again but not due to their physical looks. I think he should be commended for being so honest instead of raked through the muck by the advice givers. Their responses were littered with double standard hypocritical phrases that only revealed their own insecurities with themselves.
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Thursday 10 June
By chillchic
He's probably insecure about his weight. I knew a guy who was really, really dark. Like tar-colored. He felt insecure, so he only dated lighter girls. Same logic here. He is fat and too lazy too work out so he wants a super, extra rail-thin girl to make up for his weight problem.
You are better off dating guys who you are attracted to instead of trying to give everyone a chance, because as you learned, everyone won't give you a chance.
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Saturday 12 June
By Joe
I like how they didn't even meet this guy, and know nothing about him besides what this woman told them, and yet they're plotting out his mind.
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