Wedding season is upon us, which means a few things: Much of my drug money will go to stays in quaint B&Bs with white tents in the backyard, I will have my annual argument with airport security about whether or not an engraved cake knife is a weapon, and several of my girlfriends will get engaged. Why? Because nothing makes a couple realize they want to grow old together like watching other people Hoover up all the presents and tax breaks.
I'm kidding, of course! Some of my friends are in committed relationships and really, legitimately want to marry their boyfriends ... SO BAD. Bad enough that they'll drop hints, make threats and whip up chicken recipes from women's magazines that border on Wiccan spells.
But not so much that they'll ask for it themselves.
Which, frankly, I don't get. Every year around this time, I read a handful of articles about women proposing, whether offhandedly or elaborately with Jumbotrons / flash mobs / "mangagement rings." These articles are always written like they're about a dog walking on its hind legs. Ladies ... asking dudes? What's next, marriage by robots???
Here at Lemondrop, we recently wrote about a female valedictorian proposing to her boyfriend during her graduation speech. Despite the fact that the couple had been together for a very long time and this was clearly an accomplished woman doing the asking, some of our commenters were less than charmed.
"I don't care what century we're in," posted a user named "Lech." "[L]et the man propose! If he wants you, he will be very eager to do so." True, Lech is (ostensibly) a guy. But even the lesbian-separatist gila monsters commenting on Jezebel were pretty split when the site posted a poll back in '08. While most of their readers were "undecided," only 21 percent of women said they would consider proposing to a man, compared to 30 percent who said they'd never consider it.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, given that weddings are all about tradition. Who loves tradition more than traditionalists? But even when I asked men and women I consider to be almost dangerously liberal if the woman ought to propose, they all clutched their pearls at once.
"It's THAT sad for the woman to propose?" I mass-emailed.
A work friend sort of summed up the general sentiment of the female response when she replied, "No, not sad, but weird." My high school pal went a step further when she called lady proposals "effed and desperate." (Form an opinion, high school pal!) Even a female friend who's in a gay relationship remarked, "Since I'm the more 'femme' partner, I fully believe that were we to get married, my girlfriend would have to do the asking and ring-buying."
Really? Really, you lunatics?
True, a few of the guys I asked claimed they'd would be "flattered" if a lady proposed, but I have trouble buying that old line. Particularly because one guy admitted that since most guys think the onus is still on them to do the asking, a guy who doesn't probably isn't totally sold on marriage.
The issue at heart seems to be that even the unconventional LIKE the traditionalism of marriage. (OK, people who are unconventional enough to vote for Obama but still believe in state-regulated monogamy, and women who demand equality and respect, but also want a self-programming coffee maker. You know, like Beyoncé.) And tradition dictates that a guy's decision to marry is a hallmark of a man's maturity and a woman's desirability.
In short? If a guy's not proposing, he's either not grown up enough, or you're not good enough.

In my opinion, it's one thing if you're in a committed relationship and marriage isn't important to you. Things become problematic when we still think of a guy's asking us to marry him as proof that we're worthy of being asked. It's that kind of "if you marry me, you validate me" logic that dissuades me from thinking that some women are in it for anything other than the blood diamonds and dangerous cake knives.
Look, I don't know anything about marriage or proposals. I'm a secular humanist with health insurance and ring-non-conducive manhands. And I'm totally happy for / respectful of my girlfriends who do want to lock it down with a dude. I just think they should be able to arrange it in a way that engenders a sense of equality from the get-go, and I'm disturbed by the number of women who are willing to admit that asking a guy to marry you is to sacrifice the litmus test of whether he actually likes you like that. Shouldn't you kind of know?
Thankfully, Lo, a young Lemondrop contributor and born romantic, was unapologetic about her willingness to ask a dude to marry her: "Yes, I would. And f**k no, it's not sad. SERIOUSLY, 2010!"
Lo, I sincerely hope you're the future.
Think you can have a double standard for marriage proposals and still be a feminist? Explain your nutty logic in the comments.
More Untraditional Marriage Views on Lemondrop:
+ A Break With Tradition -- I Didn't Want My Dad to Give Me Away
+ "I Got Pregnant While I Was Engaged"
+ Why I Vote We Abolish "Husband" and "Wife"












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Friday 28 May
By Mari
Thank you SO much for this article. I get so annoyed and angry when I read articles and comments from people saying women shouldn't propose to men. Seriously, WTF is wrong with people? We don't like in the 50s!!! Every time I read an article in which a woman's whining about how her BF hasn't proposed (like those insane engagement chicken articles), I want to say to her "well, why don't you propose, then?" I would absolutely propose to a guy. In fact, I had a plan to propose to the last guy I dated. In the end things didn't work out long before we reached that point (I realised we really weren't suited for each other and broke up with him).
If a guy had a problem with me proposing to him because I'm a woman...then he's not someone I want to spend the rest of my life with! I don't want someone who's not for equality, end of.
I have a hyphenated last name that's a combination of my parents' last names. They both have the same hyphenated last name, too; when they married they wanted to share a last name but my mom didn't want to just take his name because they thought it was a sexist tradition. Throughout my life, people have been asking me what I'll do with my last name when I get married. (I remember people asking me this when I was 9 or 10!) I tell them that if I get married, I will figure something out with my husband to be, but don't intend to take my husband's last name. I'd probably keep my last name, or we could both figure out some creative way to combine all the names. I've had friends tell me that with this attitude about my last name I will never find a guy who wants to be with me (because men want you to take their name, according to them...I've also had a few guy friends say they'd be 'insulted' if a girl didn't want to take their name). Well, I'd be insulted if a guy didn't respect my wishes and tried to insist I take his name. I wouldn't want to be with a guy who did that! Seriously, I cannot believe how many times I've had this conversation in this millennium! WHY are we still debating if women should propose to a man or should be obligated to take his name? What century do we live in? We don't live in a Jane Austen novel, people!
P.S. I LOVED that video of the valedictorian proposing to her BF. I saw it a few days ago and planned to retweet it but never got around to it. When I saw it, I thought "you go, girl!" I thought it was awesome that she proposed to him at graduation, too; very fitting considering they were valedictorian and salutatorian.
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Saturday 29 May
By Erin
Everything, that is what is wrong with it, a man leads when a couple
dances and it would look, not only stupid, but foolish, if the woman
was trying to lead.If a woman proposes, she is "selling herself out"
which ,in other words is saying " yeah, i am that desperate" to get you !
I will never agree with that concept and in fact would rather my man
stay with the traditional ways of proposing, opening my car door
occassionaly, taking me out for dinner and dancing. I also want to
take his last name,but ,once a woman proposes, its all over
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Friday 20 August
By Jenn
oh my gosh, what are you, living in the dark ages? so, according to you, if a woman proposes to the man she loves enough to spend the rest of her life with, that man will suddenly cease to act in any considerate or loving way? well thats just nonsense. i told my boyfriend when we started getting to that level that while i would like him to propose, if i felt that we were ready to get married and begin our lives together and he was just stalling because of nerves, i would happily buy him a ring and propose to him. and guess what? the sky did not fall chicken little. he was ok with that, even though he still wants to be the one to propose, he understood where i was coming from and he loves me and is man enough to be ok with the idea that i may be the one to put a ring on him.
Saturday 29 May
By brittany
I don't see anything wrong with a woman proposing. In fact I think the whole "proposal" thing in and of itself is a little weird. Don't most people have plenty of discussions about marriage before coming to a final decision, making the proposal just a formality? I should hope so. You'd have to be pretty naive to pop the question out of nowhere and decide to get married without discussing it extensively first.
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Saturday 29 May
By Samantha
I don't think its bad for a woman to propose, I just... Honestly could never do it myself. I am far too traditional.
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Tuesday 15 June
By Dan
The only time I think it would be appropriate for a woman to propose to a man is if, say, she wants him to take her last name, or be a house husband. However, very few women have any serious desire for this. That being said, if a woman chooses to be the traditional type, there are little ways she can nudge him here and there. But ultimately, she should have him propose to her.
Saturday 05 June
By ck
Come on its 2010 hello its not the 40s. So don't see why is it so worng for a woman to propose? There isn't a law saying only men can do it. so why not?
Let me tell everybody something My cousin girlfriend propose to him and He said YES! Now they are Happy Married for ten years with three kids and are very happy!
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Sunday 06 June
By Grace
The grad speech proposal sparked a heated debate between my serious boyfriend and I about the female proposal. I am a bit of a traditionalist, and would not propose to a man. Though we agreed, he was driving me crazy because his only reason for opposing the idea was "It's not right. No way." He felt so strongly about it! Finally, he described it in a way that made sense to me: "You know how women look forward to walking down the aisle? You know how women look forward to the feeling of being pregnant? Well, the proposal is one of the things that guys have to look forward to."
Ultimately, the proposal will fit the couple. Equality is reached when we can truly understand both views of this argument, but it is also important to maintain our personal values. And after all, I wholeheartedly agree with the idea that marriage should be discussed at length before ANY proposal.... "Will you marry me?" should be a much anticipated moment, not a moment of surprise!
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Sunday 06 June
By bourbontippler
After my (now) spouse and I were together for long enough to know, i let her know that I thought the whole guy proposing-thing was stupid and it was up to her. Six months later, she asked. We've never looked back.
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Thursday 10 June
By Veronica Costas
I proposed to my fiancee. He was happy that I did because it showed him that I really did love him. We haven't picked a date yet, but either way. We're happy
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Friday 11 June
By Jessi Lynn Angel
I think it is ok for a woman to ask a man his hand in marriage, I probably would ask my bf to marry me if he doesnt ask any time soon. I hope he asks me before Christmas this year. we wont see eachother much this year because he will be in Tennessee and I will be in North Carolina for about 6 months to a year and possibly move in together. He wants me to move in with him when he gets a steady job and is giving me $200 to spend on whatever i want in the Mall I asked him what if i bought a ring? he said i could get whatever i Please. I said "well if i get the ring then technically it was your money that purchased it." He told me,"Exactly." Um.... what the Heck does that mean????
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Sunday 13 June
By Andy
Ok , this is unrelated to the topic, but not to the picture. I know that the picture on the article is from an ABC show and its killing me that I cant remeber the name, does anybody know?
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Monday 21 February
By Meagan
Corey and Topanga from Boy Meets World. LOVED that show!
Wednesday 16 June
By Zi
the picture is from the show "boy meets world".
i think being gender equals means being equally valued. the tradition of the man proposing does not meant the female is less valued. in fact, it would seem she is more valued. the act of asking symbolizes a subservience. the person in lesser power asks their superior, therefore, it symbolizes the female's right of making the decision. this is opposite to when in the past the marriage was agreed between the man and the woman's father. the control has since shifted. also to ask seems more of an affirmation to the man, than to the woman. he is saying "will you take me". he is at the point of vulnerability. to add to what has already been mentioned, the conversation about deciding on getting married has in most cases.
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Friday 18 June
By vinny
I am a male who has been proposed to, actually a few times. I said yes once and I gave the ring back a day later. She had done it at a restaurant in front of a few friends and I didn't want to humiliate her. We ended up not making it anyway. The others just wanted to get married,( not necessarily just to me and I knew that), they were easy to turn down.
In each case it was very flattering to put themselves out there like that. I don't see anything wrong with women asking. I did the asking and am happily married. My wife knows about the past and said she would have never asked.
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Wednesday 21 July
By elle
i have to say, i really disagree with your opinion on this issue. i would never, ever say that a woman doesn't have a right to propose, but at the same time, it's my opinion that if a man wants to marry a woman, he will propose. i don't find this at all sexist, insulting, or demeaning. i think it's perfectly natural for a man (or the less "femme" in a gay/lesbian relationship) to want to formally state his commitment to his/her girlfriend by proposing.
for me, one of the best feelings is being "had" by the man i love. i love knowing that he's mine, and that i'm his. i can't wait for the day he proposes--i find the idea of belonging to someone incredibly lovely and romantic. i have no desire to play the submissive housewife. i would never marry a man who believed i was somehow less than him because i'm female, or who wanted me to be subservient or sacrifice my dreams. at the same time, like i said, i think it's very healthy and natural for a man/more masculine woman in a lesbian relationship to propose. i would feel unbelievably uncomfortable and WRONG proposing.....i would not want to be married to a man who either wanted me to propose or who even was okay with me proposing.
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Friday 13 August
By Michelle
my brother's psycho-stalker-desperate-3-kids-having girlfriend proposed, despite warnings from several people that she should run quickly, in the other direction. Unfortunately, he accepted. *sigh* trainwreck's a-comin'!
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Friday 13 August
By Michelle
that should have read "despite warnings from several people that HE should run, quickly"
Thursday 16 September
By Crystal
A man asking a woman shows the woman that he is man enough to be completely vulnerable to her. That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with it happening the other way around. If a woman wants to propose to her boyfriend, she should go ahead and do it.
The thing is, we seem to be in a society now where men aren't taking as much initiative in relationships. While there's nothing wrong with being shy, if the woman has had to initiate the majority of the relationship, she's going to feel like it's her man's turn to prove his dedication to her. The ring itself is a part of all this. The look of the ring can show how much thought the man put into picking it to suit his girlfriend's taste. Generally, a woman seems to care much more about the way her ring looks than a man (though this isn't always true, of course).
There are plenty of reasons why women don't want to do the proposing past tradition and past the question of whether or not they're really "loved." It's the thought, "If he still hasn't proposed, that means he's not ready because he expects he has to do the proposing...so why should I open myself up for that kind of embarrassment and potentially hurt my relationship?"
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Wednesday 13 October
By Ashley
Women should be able to propose just as much as men. why the hell not?
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