Yesterday a post on Psychology Today caught our eye: Why Men Use Porn (And How to Get Them to Stop).Interesting, we thought. Porn is a divisive issue in a relationship. It can help. It can hurt. And it can also be hard to talk about.
Now a real psychologist would provide real insight: Dr. Mark Goulston, a former online couples therapist and, more recently, author of a book called "Just Listen: The Secret to Getting Through to Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime." OK.
We listened long enough to get to the bottom of his response to a woman who had written in, complaining that her husband was addicted to pornography. Now they have an 8-month-old daughter and, she writes, "It's hurting me. When I make love with him, I'm flooded by all these images and I get sick to my stomach."
What turned ours was Goulston's reply.
"You might not like what I am going to say, but please hear me out," he writes. "For women verbally venting their frustrations is a great stress reliever. No one knows why; it just is. Well, for men, an orgasm is a great stress reliever (not to say that that isn't also the case for women.)" No one knows why; it just is."
OK, so far we were with him: When we want to blow off steam we get mani-pedis side-by-side; when a guy does, he beats a retreat to the bathroom with his iPod. Fine.
Then Goulston continues:
"There are two kinds of sex -- sex with love and sex just for sex's sake. Many husbands feel guilty about having sex just for sex's sake with their wives, because they feel like they are using her as a thing (as opposed to making love to the person they care about). So instead of using their wives as things, many men use pornography and masturbation (and often feel ashamed or even pathetic for doing so). I'm not advocating it or saying it's a wonderful practice, I'm just saying it's fairly common and not always unhealthy. Pornography and masturbation (in moderation) have probably saved more marriages than they have hurt. I think it's pretty sad, but it's just a fact of modern life. The trick of course is to do it in moderation rather than letting it become a full time substitution for real sex."
Still with him. In fact, that seems pretty plausible. Unless he's replacing you with the blow-up doll more nights than not, maybe it's best to turn a blind eye. After all, we have yoga!
But Goulston wasn't done grinding the axe. This was the last third of the advice he offered this beleaguered mother of a newborn:
"To give you an idea of the stress men feel, one man asked me a few months ago if I knew what the definition of a shower was. I told him I didn't. He told me: 'A shower is the place where grown men go to cry when they're afraid they can't keep the promise they made to their wives and children to always take care of them and don't want their family to see how afraid they are.'
If you can show your husband that you understand the pressure and responsibilities on him, he may feel less alone and less stressed out. And if he feels less stressed out, he may not need to resort to pornography as much. Take him aside and say to him, "Nobody, including me, knows how awful the pressure from all your responsibilities makes you feel. And nobody, including me, knows that sometimes -- even though you love me and our children -- you wish you could be single and have nobody to worry about but you. Isn't that true, honey? I'm sorry it's so tough." From there, you may be able to start a dialog about what is worrying him and help him find positive ways of dealing with the pressures in his life.
Sorry, this guy was the author of what, again? "How to Excuse Your Significant Other for Absolutely Everything and Take All the Blame Yourself?" Granted, we don't pretend to know what this couple's marriage is like, but then again, neither did he.
And if this couple is at all representative of the rest of America, then she's raising the child and working at the same time. She is making less than her very stressed-out husband at her equally demanding job, and she is spending an extra three hours a day taking care of the house while he spends at least some of that time choking the chicken.
And she should hug him and tell him that she really understands that he feels like he wants to run away sometimes -- which is why he continually needs to yank his own chain?
Who knows: Maybe Goulston came of age in the cavedays, when the man really was dragging home freshly killed protein and keeping his cavefamily from being eaten by wild mastodons, but last we checked, women had just as many responsibilities as men, if not more. And, last we checked, being committed to a relationship meant finding ways to exercise your independence in a way that didn't make your partner weep.
But what do you think: Is being so stressed out they can't cope why men feel the need to seek out inspirational graphics and take matters into their own hands?












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Wednesday 26 May
By Katie
Women watch porn too.
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Saturday 19 March
By Cindy
I do not watch porn, i really think it is absolutely disgusting and degrading, how can a male watch strangers? What low respect these women have for themselves.
I am not computer savvy, but while looking up a very clean, lovely blogspot of family, somehow I accidentally got to some bookmarked things from past, either my 15 yr old son or his father has been looking at this porn.
I am absolutely sick inside.
1. if it is my son, well.... words cannot describe it, and it is an addiction and it is living in a false reality, it is just not right
2. if it is my kids father, then I am like WTH? The past months we kind of reunited and began messing around on some weekends, I took it so seriously, it was not about sexual gratification (although it is a nice bonus) it was about feeling close to him, and I felt love, and just sleeping next to him was lovely, and now to think possibly when we were messing around he had those DISGUSTING images going thru his head to turn him on, instead of me?!?!?
I am very devastated right now.
I am one woman who does NOT get it. Looking at strangers doing these awful things, it is sooo yucky.
Now how do I figure out if it is my son or his father? What a touchy subject to even bring up! And I don't want him thinking I was sneaking on his computer when I do not even know much how to use it really but to log onto facebook... sorry if I put this comment under a wrong thread.
I feel like I have been punched in the stomach.
People have deep hidden secrets I guess.
Wednesday 26 May
By Miss O
Katie is right, women do watch porn. this lady doesnt say if she ever watches with her husband... maybe it wouldn't seem so wrong to her if she did, and it might make him realize that its not such a big deal if she was ok with it sometimes.
And she should hug him and tell him that she really understands that he feels like he wants to run away sometimes -
yes I do think sometimes we are supposed to just hug our partners and tell them that we do understand.... that's one of the reasons that we are partners isnt it??? because sometimes we just need somebody to understand us? even if they can't fix whatever may be wrong with us. Just being there sometimes is enough!
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Wednesday 26 May
By goddessgifts.info
Sex with love is better than sex just for sex's
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Thursday 27 May
By J
Have you ever had really good sex just for sex?
Thursday 27 May
By denyar2
No It's Not!
They serve two separate and essential functions and I think that was the point of this aritcle.
Wednesday 26 May
By Man with feelings
I completely understand where goulston is coming from. I am a freelance graphic designer and I work from home. I live with my girlfriend and she works a full time job as a paralegal. She brings home much more money than I do. I still pay my bills, make rent and so on. But when money is tight, I feel absolutely awful. Like I am not worth her at all. Not worth much at all really. I don't really know how to tell her that, and its true when I am stressed out I will masturbate. I will fantasize about her, or just random images from the internet. It doesn't really matter, but it seems to be like a drug.
Why is it so bad that goulston comes at this problem from a the perspective of a man's feelings?
The end of this article is really disrespectful. I feel like the writer doesn't want men to have feelings or to recognize pressure. The responsibility that you can't always come through on. And we know that our girlfriends and wives love us and don't expect us to be able to handle it all "or else". But there are plenty of pressures growing up as a man as well. It has nothing to do with the challenges of being a woman.
We have feelings too, and it doesn't help when our fathers, friends, brothers and even other women don't want us to have them.
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Thursday 27 May
By Mamatukol
Guys these days are whimps. Not that they shouldn't have feelings. Everyone should be respectful. The problem is that guys today were raised to have the women in their lives do absolutely everything for them, and as soon as they are actually asked to take some responsibility, they balk. Products of single parenting/divorce/absent fathers. It's sad. Real men are gone.
Thursday 27 May
By Annie
I understand where you're coming from and yes, men have unique pressures that women do not.
But does that really justify treating women like objects or doing things that ultimately hurt your wives/girlfriends/partners?
If this were an article about alcohol addiction I'd guarantee you'd be just as upset as I and many of the other women are on this board. To say that it's okay to look at porn because it's a stress reliever is on par with telling an alcoholic it's okay to have another beer because he's got so much going on in his life.
If porn is something that hurts the one you love the most then, I'm sorry, you need to quit. What's more important: keeping your loved one feeling safe and loved or maintaining the "right" to jack off and continually hurt her, even if you try to hide it?
Saturday 29 May
By Mrs V.
If the roles were reversed, and you found out that your girlfriend was masturbating to porn instead of talking with you, how would you feel? I don't think you would appreciate that, and I'm sure it would mess with your self esteem. It might even make you feel like you were being cheated on. That's what it does to us as women. We feel like maybe we aren't enough for our partners if they feel the need to masturbate to porn. It's not so much the act of masturbating, as much as it is the circumstances surrounding the act. Why do you have to do it alone? If its all so innocent, then why the need to hide?
Monday 31 May
By sher
There's nothing wrong with having feelings. We don't reject your feelings. We reject HOW you handle your feelings when it hurts us. There are other healthier ways to vent. You have someone to turn to instead of 'objectifying' women to make yourself feel better about how inadequate you feel. And it makes us as women feel like we aren't good enough for you when you feel a need to see someone else naked or in a sex act. It ruins relationships. Why do something that will ruin your relationship with your partner? And why does it require porn...pictures and videos of OTHER women...instead of something like exercising, riding a bike, walking?! It isn't healthy for your relationship when you turn to 'other' women to make yourself feel better. I wonder how you'd feel if your partner turned to 'other' men.
I'd also like to suggest you see a therapist. When you say that it is "addictive", that can be a sign of other problems.
Monday 07 June
By Ore N. Mavro
“The weakness of men is the facade of strength: the strength of women is the facade of weakness."
- Warren Farrell "The Myth of Male Power"
Sunday 13 June
By s
Hey, man. I'm going to let you in on something.. when money is tight and you dont feel like you are worth her.. thats not for you to decide. if she thinks you're worth it then you are. Let it be and love her for it.
Saturday 30 October
By Diamond_Kicker
Highfive for keeping it real man.
Wednesday 26 May
By theonly Y intheroom
let me guess, there just might be a woman somewhere on the lemondrop staff??
lol all i have to say is GTF over yourselves. why does it always have to be about you? maybe i want to watch some porn and rub one out just cause i feel like it, or maybe because its 8pm on a teusday, it doesnt mean anything and its just a natural purge. besides with sex there is all sorts of pressure to perform and have to service another person.
here and now this is for me, its got nothing to do with you.
i want 5 minutes of my day for me, quit your judging and obsessing, and for the love of god put down the magazine, they are lying to you when they say im doing it because you dont use pantene shampoo or because you gained 3 lbs.
that said this isnt always the case, if i would RATHER masturbate than have sex then somethings wrong between us. every now and then this will be the case even if nothing is wrong but if the majority of the time he goes solo, somethings wrong.
its probly at about 1:4 ratio when you may want to get a little concerned. but that also depends on your sex schedule. if ur only having sex once a month then hes obviously looking at like a 10:1 ratio, or hes seriously considering a career in serial murder.
which takes me to another point. look guys need to get off. women often say they do too but its just not the same, when was the last time you heard of a woman throwing rufees and viagra into some guys drink? its a physiological need for men.
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Wednesday 26 May
By Man with feelings
Dude,
Rape is not a physiological need. You should have probably left your argument with the fact that you jacking it has nothing do with her.
Besides, if you can't understand why womens feelings get hurt when you get off to a girl who has bigger boobs, fake tan, more adventurous and doing things your gf would never think of, then you need to rethink a couple of things.
How pissed off do you get when your gf gets hit on at the bar? What if she got herself off and fantasized about that douche from the bar?
Friday 28 May
By kiela7
TO: the only Y...
I swear you are my ex. I had to laugh a bit when reading your response. I do not agree or disagree with this article or you. I think everyone forgets that ALL humans are different and what we feel about our selves as well as our partners will not be the same as the couple next door. I am not all into porn that much but I will check it out from time to time and usually when I am alone. Who cares? I do not love my man any less nor do I have an issue with our sex life. I actually am looking for something new to try and even sometimes watching the real naughty stuff since it is amazing and I know i will never do it but it is fun to watch. If you are a woman or a man for that matter and you are unhappy with your partners attention to porn, there are only a few real issues here and they are NOT with the porn itself. There is either some unfaithfulness that has happened or suspicion of, OR...you are plan insecure that you will not compare in looks to the amazing bodies on the screen. IF you truly love your partner and want to make things work...STEP 1 Accept them and all that you think is flawed. If you can not do this...split. He will not change because you want him to and you should not change your true feelings if his actions hurt you. There are many men that are not interested in porn and might be more your speed. We all fail at relationships due to the need to change that person. STOP IT! There is an A$$ for every seat out there, stop trying to sit where you do not fit and move on. Just my opinion. :) I welcome yours.
Thursday 24 March
By hard luck
My boyfriend and I have sex on a regular basis...say 5x a week. On the other two days he insists on watching porn because he says "I have to get rid of my frustrations".WTHF!!! WE have had the no porn discussion unless we do it together but its gotten to the point that he does it without remorse and says it has nothing to do with me.Whatever!It is making me feel bed about myself and to the point that watching porn together turns me off. It really sucks because he is a good guy in most ways but I dont feel like it is enough when I feel like an object all the time.
Wednesday 26 May
By chique
Is being so stressed out they can't cope why men feel the need to seek out inspirational graphics and take matters into their own hands?
Sure. Probably. But it seems like more of a cop out, and this Goulston guy definitely sympathizes with the porn-obsessed husband when you get down to it. I mean, how many woman get to have the same excuse of being so frustrated that they have to go and let off some steam by hitting YouPorn? How many of them are more likely to be penalized for it?
Society, men and women alike, all let guys get away with this and it's frustrating and annoying. I think it hurts more because we women are emotional creatures and the thought of our guys loving porn over us just kills beyond killing. Me, it's one thing for him to watch it, but if he starts skirting his fatherly duties for some naked chick he'll never meet it's time to speak up.
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Wednesday 26 May
By katie
i see both sides to this argument. i know men feel a lot of pressures that women don't because of the way our culture is, but i don't think it's any excuse for a committed guy to whack off to porn all the time and blame it on his insecurities.
back up a little. i'm married, and i agree that there are 2 kinds of sex: for love and for lust. if you want both, TALK ABOUT IT. communication is so important, especially for sex. more than likely, if you give her a reason to enjoy sex for sex's sake, she can have fun with it, too. you just need to know where to draw the line, because there are probably certain things that would be uncomfortable for both of you. maybe i have a higher libido than other women, but i like it often and varied. sometimes i'm in the mood to make love to him, and other times i want him in the backseat of the car. i agree that porn can be addicting, but if you can fully satisfy one another, there isn't much need for it. just find out what the both of you are willing to try :)
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