

Guy Voice: Michael Swaim
Well, that was a thorough and rousing exchange of ideas. The funny thing to me is that I think we agree on the basic dynamics at play here, yet the only feasible solution seems to be for men to stop approaching women or for women to nut up and hurt our feelings a little more. At the end of the day, rejection hurts. You may as well get the message across sooner rather than later.
I think we'd all be better off in the long run if women felt comfortable enough to just straight-up say, "Listen to me: I'm not interested. Thank you. Good night." But guys should do their part, too; we should recognize that that faraway look in your eyes might not be you imagining the two of us on a beach somewhere, but instead checking the room for escape routes.
I'd advise guys to go the "better safe than sorry" route and assume that if a girl seems uninterested, she means it. Move on. And ladies, if that means you end up alone for the evening because you played too hard to get, well, we can sort that out next time around. Guys have never had a problem taking "yes" for an answer.

Girl Voice: Emily Gordon
This cuts to the heart of several of the biggest stereotypes out there about men and women, so I think everyone's to blame. Michael immediately zeroed in on the man side of it, saying that men are taught to never give up because there's a chance we're playing hard to get. And that's slightly true. But what's also slightly true is that men are terrible at reading non-verbal communication. So whereas you think your crossed arms and avoidance of eye contact is speaking volumes, he is still thinking about when you'll have sex. Other proof of this: You can have a fight with a girlfriend in front of a man, and he will have no idea that anything went down.
What concerns me most is the long-standing tradition of women putting up with behavior we're not comfortable with out of an expectation to be "nice." If he's making moves you're not into, hinting ain't gonna cut it. You need to strike firmly and kindly, and you need to leave no doors open.
That said, what you've done so far isn't keeping him from hitting on you, so rethink the signals you're sending: Are you still sitting near him? Think about it -- being pursued feels good -- and it's our dirty little secret that sometimes, even though we're telling him no, we enjoy the attention. If you're really not into him, you need to tell him straight up to cut it, then follow through if he doesn't stop.
Now tell us yours: Have you ever had a stranger -- or a friend -- who refused to take no for an answer? Leave your comments below, and if you have a question you want both genders to take a shot at answering, then go over to Guyspeak and ask -- it might end up back here!
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Tuesday 23 March
By lvdwillia
The direct approach is always best. Most men understand, "I don't want to be with you," very well. If all else fails I have some intimidating male relatives. If I really don't like someone and he doesn't get the hint, a night around them will definitely stop him. They don't usually resort to violence but the verbal abuse would send anyone running.
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Tuesday 23 March
By Bigpallooka
I consider myself to be a sensitive sort of a guy. I don't get-off on dominating women or controlling. However, and here is the big one... every guy has a success story where he didn't take 'not really interested' for an answer. It teaches us that (some) women can be 'talked around'. I would even go so far as to say I have known of many couples who began where one or the other party wasn't very interested and the other 'harrassed' them into getting to know them better. Unfortunately, some guys think of women as a 'collective' and treat them all the same, not as individuals with separate (if often similar) communication techniques, relationship requirements, dreams and desires. They then expect the same result and can sometimes use very harsh coercive tactics. These guys are commonly referred to as 'dating gurus' or 'fashion photographers' (a-la Pierre Woodman).
While "No means No!" in the bedroom, preliminaries at the club, coffee shop, even the church picnic seldom begin with, Guy: "Hey, how you doin'?" Girl: "Lets have sex in the alley!" I know many men do want fulfilling relationships but the sex imperative is what drives much of our behaviour. If we really, really want you (or just haven't had any in a while) we might not listen to anything subtler than a sledge hammer.
The moral is: Guys have to listen better but the Ladies MUST be 100% obvious and clear when they really mean it! If you are unsure and vague about the possibilities then some men (ok. most of us) will see that as an opportunity not as a rebuttal. If you really don't like the guy then don't then tell them! Guy: Is there something sticky on the seat? You keep edging away." Girl: "I'm afraid I might catch something from you so I'm calling my brother the Ultimate Fighter Champion/Mafia hitman to pick me up! Don't call me!"
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Wednesday 24 March
By Susan
Listen Bigpallooka.............If the initial reaction earned you a lukewarm response...that's the first hint that Rome will fall real soon.......you're only fooling yourself to "talk around" any woman or man who seems less than enthusiastic.
Let's say you get around it at first...
eventually the "I'm just not that into you factor "
pops up again.
And that really hurts. And that would be the second time.
Care to try for a third?
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Thursday 25 March
By Bigpallooka
Oh! You are so right Susan. I probably didn't make my point very clearly. The fact that you can 'talk around' some women is more a sign that some women are either biddable or just prefer to give-in than stand up and say "F-off!" It certainly doesn't indicate that a successful relationship will ensue. It was more of an observation on a occasionally successful tactic some men use to coerce women into bed.
My reflection that talking around a woman has led to (in my personal experience) some long lasting relationships was more about individuals who don't feel an overwhelming physical attraction for the other party at first but actually fall in love with 'the person' not 'the package'.
I wouldn't suggest harassment as a tactic for getting who or what you want but there is nothing wrong with perseverance when it comes to relationships. I guess the true question is where exactly the line between perseverance and stalking is for most people.
On the one hand asking someone out for coffee who has already refused you might be annoying to the recipient however it might give them the opportunity to repair miss-conceptions or at least confirm their feelings. Knowing how easy it is to have preconceptions about people and that we all have 'types' that we 'think' we prefer perseverance can sometimes be the only way to show someone special to you that you can be special to them.
On the other hand, waiting outside someone's apartment to hand them their newspaper, a latte and a catalogue of honeymoon destinations when they have already refused to acknowledge you is definitely a no-no.
Wednesday 24 March
By Mike
I agree that men do sometimes just need to take a hint, but we get confused when a girl wants to "just be friends". Lets face it folks, if you had enough feelings for someone to pursue them, being "just friends" doesn't usually work too well.
Personally, if I hear the "F word" and I really do like that woman I have to completely cut off communication or I fall into that trap of not taking a hint.
Just my opinion, I could be completely wrong.
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Wednesday 24 March
By kelly
ahhhhhhhhhh haa! i did have a guy just like that! numerous times we would hang out while i was dating somebody or newly single or even when he was dating somebody! and i would tell him that im not ready for a relationship, and im not looking and not interested, and even things uplifting to him like dont worry you will find the right girl! and he was always trying to seduce me in ways that he thinks would get me to date him or hell just sleep with him. and he would always tell me he wanted to be friends, and i would make sure he knew we were friends, but when somehow i finally got across to him that i wasnt planning on dating him anytime soon or possibly ever! he stopped talking to me and didnt want to have anything to do with me! i mean we had fun together and i thought we were at least friends, but it looks like all he wanted to do was sleep with me and when he realized that would never happen he didnt want to waste his time..what an idiot!
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Wednesday 24 March
By Micah
Kelly the guy probably liked you a lot more then you thought he did. Judging by why what you wrote, you always seemed to leave it like dating you could be a possibility at some time. Dude was probably just hanging to the hope that it would happen.
I'm the same way as him. I can't be just friends with a girl when I want more then that out of the relationship. I'm willing to be friends to an extent but if I know that it's never going to be anything more then a friendship then I cut off all communication. It's like torture to have something you want so close to you and know that you will never have it (and I mean a relationship not sex).
Sometimes a friendship just isn't possible when your in love with someone, it hurts to darn bad.
Wednesday 24 March
By beachbum
you don't get it kelly, it had nothing to do with sleep with you or it was wasting his time, this guy really liked you and you hurt his feelings, and the only way for him to handle you hurting his feelings was to not give you the oppurtunity to hurt his feelings anymore.
Monday 30 August
By Jerry McGuire
To me Kelly, it probably wasn't that all he wanted was to sleep with you.
-More that he couldn't bare to be so close you, yet so far from what he desired which isn't merely sex (sex afterall is nothing).
He probably wanted to love you, hold you and care for you until you were both old and grey. Guys who want to do that don't come around as often as the ones who jsut want to get their leg over, he would probably of been worth the shot.
Wednesday 24 March
By mahoney4jesus
I'm ashamed to admit it but when I was younger, being sensitive and not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings, I actually dated few guys for a while I didn't like because I didn't want to hurt them. Not surprisingly, it always eventually ended with him being hurt. I finally learned to be very firm and honest right up front. It turned out to be the nicest thing I could do.
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Wednesday 24 March
By Keith
Funny how the 'Guy' is supposed to take the 'hint'. Yet the Girl can be playing hard to get "just slightly". Who's the player?
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Wednesday 24 March
By tyrebitre
Spot on, KEITH. My solution, for the most part, has been to let the woman initiate and refuse to chase. When I do connect, it means she is interested. Downside is I have missed some I could have had if I had pursued.
Wednesday 24 March
By Alex
I dont get it I met this girl and things were going great for about a month I mean i treated her like a princess. we would go to dinner out dancing and she even invited me to go snowboarding for the weekend. Then she finds out that I'm 3 yrs younger her 28 me 25 and i asked if that was a problem and she said no.Then all of sudden a day later she says she doesnt feel a connection anymore, i mean i like this girl any advice????
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Sunday 28 March
By NYC
Sorry to hear that Alex--date me instead! (:
j/k You sound like a nice guy and if she loses interest b/c of a small age difference then I say move on!
Wednesday 24 March
By Lisa
Right, Keith, because if a girl says"I just want to be friends" or "I don't want to be with you" and gives off a whole slew of body language clues that she's not interested in you as a partner, she's totes just playing hard to get.
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Thursday 25 March
By tyrebitre
By Lisa
Right, Keith, because if a girl says"I just want to be friends" or "I don't want to be with you" and gives off a whole slew of body language clues that she's not interested in you as a partner, she's totes just playing hard to get.
OK. I'm not real sure exactly what this means => " she's totes just playing hard to get. ", but I'm getting your reply as supposedly biting sarcasm.
Perhaps if you would read the article and pay attention, you would understand Keith's point. Note the girl's reply where, in reference to the playing hard to get a little even when saying there is no interest, she says:
"because there's a chance we're playing hard to get.
And that's slightly true."
Which is EXACTLY Keith's point and verified by the FEMALE respondent.
Wednesday 24 March
By Kim
I had a guy who would not get the hint, although I did tell him straight-forwardly that I "do not see you that way." He kept on going, attempting to be cute and hit on me, so I told him, "I do not want you." He found it to be kind of rude, and even attempted to make himself feel better by making fun of it while we were in a group. I responded by telling him, "Stop trying to make yourself feel better by belittling the fact that I told you I didn't want you."
After that, he left me alone. I guess my main point is that women should not be afraid of not appearing "nice." I find that if I am too "nice" , many desperate men keep on hanging around and trying to get with me. It sucks that I have to be that way, but I find that some men don't have the capability to understand otherwise.
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Wednesday 24 March
By Dave D.
As nightclub doorman, I have seen some men throw voilent tantrums over being turned down.(too much to drink) I was glad it was a public place when it happened. Good to catch that early. You have to negotiate your relationships up front.
Wednesday 24 March
By J
I agree the direct approach is best. However, some men take it as a challenge, and think they can somehow change your mind.
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Wednesday 24 March
By Julie
I once had to climb out a window.
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