By Kate Ashford @HerTwoCents.Have you ever had a relationship fail because he routinely failed to pick up the check? Had no trouble talking dirty, but couldn't come clean about your finances? Or, as a single girl, had an unerring tendency to fall for the help?
As one writer puts it in the anthology of essays, "The Secret Currency of Love: The Unabashed Truth About Women, Money, and Relationships:"
"It's always been this way. I like men who aren't flashy. Men who work with their hands. Men who prefer pick-ups to Porsches. There I'll be, at a hoity-toity event filled with powerful, wildly attractive potential mates -- and inevitably I'll gravitate toward the guy pouring drinks and shlepping dishes."
She's just one of the many smart, savvy female writers who dish -- pretty intimately -- in the book about money and the role it's played in their relationships. Take, for instance, Marnie Hanel's story of scraping by in London while realizing that her wealthy boyfriend's cleaning lady made more per hour than she did. Or Marisa Belger's tale of near-death marriage: They loved each other wildly, but it almost ended when, one month, they couldn't pay their electricity bill.
The book also wades into the complicated web of money and parents, as in Amy Sohn's essay about her father's cheapskate ways -- and how she finds herself growing up to be a tightwad herself. Oh, the horror.
Now that it's out in (money-saving) paperback, we sat down with the book's editor, Hilary Black, to chat about the last relationship taboo: love and money.
LD: Why put this book together?
Hilary Black: The book actually came from my own personal experience a couple of years ago. I was dating a guy who was very wealthy, and when we broke up a number of my friends told me I was crazy. The people who were saying this were independent career women who publicly would never advocate marrying for money, but they thought I was making a mistake. It got me thinking: Many people have much more complicated relationships with money than they let on initially.
The women in it were really honest-sometimes painfully so. Did you have any trouble convincing them to lay it all out there?
A lot of people came to me once I decided to put this book together, and they had these great stories, but a lot of them wouldn't go on the record about it. It was one thing to tell it to me, but it was another thing to say it publicly. I had a writer who wrote a whole essay for me about money and friendship. It was basically about two women who'd grown up together and they'd planned to save the world. This woman became a writer, but the friend ended up marrying a very rich guy and had summer houses and nannies, and she felt very complicated about how the writer went on to fulfill her dreams. In the end, she pulled the story. She said I absolutely couldn't publish it, because it could end the friendship. It's fascinating the way money can be a relationship-ender.
How is it that women walk down the aisle without ever having addressed money differences?
I think a lot of people fall for the Prince Charming myth. It's the way a lot of women were raised. Women fall for this romantic notion of being swept away on a white horse by the person with whom they have the most chemistry, but a lifelong
commitment is very serious and involves a lot more than moonlight and roses. I think it's common for a lot of women who get as far as their wedding day and the honeymoon and don't always evaluate the man they're with from a perspective other than the fairy tale. Several women in the book nearly ended marriages over money. Why is it such a deal-breaker?
I think money is really a proxy for control and power, and it puts into very sharp relief the basic divisions between who has control and who has power. They say money and sex are the two biggest taboos. Money is one of those things that brings out self-interest and selfishness. It brings out conflict. It becomes a subject of very, very deep rancor.
How are money and sex related?
Both money and sex are proxies for control and power. The possessor of more money and more sex has more control in the relationship, and pretending otherwise is very naïve. A friend was just telling me that he's always been the primary breadwinner in his relationship, and now his wife makes more than he does, and it makes him feel powerless. I think the two are intricately intertwined and to pretend otherwise is naïve.
Why is money such a powerful thing in our lives?
In practical terms, money symbolizes so much for so many people. If you really break it down, it isn't about how much you get out of the cash machine. It's about our sense of professional accomplishment and it's tied up in our self esteem. Having it or not having it says a lot about lifestyle, about identity, about who you are in society, and I think that when couples find themselves across a divide on this issue, it's often enough to break them apart.
What did you learn, in editing these essays?
Talking about money and talking about it early on is critical. There's been a long tradition of not talking about money and I think that's been dangerous. It's important to get these things out in the open before you enter into a lifelong commitment. Lucy Kaylin [one of the essay writers] and her husband had married with dramatically different approaches to money. She thought everything was fine and he thought she was haranguing him to death. She realized that she could change the way she acted about money or she could kiss the marriage goodbye. It's extraordinarily important to see where you stand on this issue because it can tear people apart.
So you're saying love doesn't conquer all?
One of the biggest things people fight about is money. The lesson is to really be able to talk about this stuff from the very beginning, not kick it under the rug. Because life is so much more than just simply romance. Helen Fisher wrote a very interesting book called "Why Him? Why Her?" about chemistry. She basically says that kind of wildly-in-love dynamic lasts two to four years. Make sure you're marrying somebody who you're not just wildly in love with but who wants a similar lifestyle. Talk early on about how you want to live together. I'm often asked, 'What's more important, money or love?' And if you don't have it together on money issues, you don't have a chance on the love.
Any warning signs? Should we stay away from the man who, say, never picks up the check?
I think these things are very individual. The way money and love play out is different for every couple. I'm personally somebody who pays bills to the minute, so I'd be very wary of somebody who lets the bills pile up and is very irresponsible with his money. They say it's easier to marry somebody who is more like you, and it's crucial that whatever your values are about money, that they be the same as your potential partner's.
Money seems to be a thread that's with us from childhood. Why is that?
So much about money has to do with upbringing and values and identity. I think that watching the way our parents spend money tends to cut deep, and it goes a long way toward establishing our financial values as adults. There's one other piece that I think provides an interesting example of this observation. Abby Ellin has written this essay in which she talks about struggling against the attraction to men in low-paying professions. She has to reconcile this idea of being attracted to people who don't make a lot of money, because she was brought up to have someone support her.
Do many women, deep down, still want a man to support them?
This stuff runs very, very deep. It's very deeply ingrained culturally that the man is going to come in and provide for them. I think a lot of this who-earns-more, who-earns-less comes from this deep-seated traditional notion of gender when the man is Prince Charming and he provides, and the woman takes care of the home. Now that we're in this post-feminist age, there's a lot of ambivalence. In the past 30 years, the feminists have won this idea of women doing for themselves. Now some women are stuck in the old way of thinking but have been taught growing up the new way of thinking, so they're confused.
Did you have a favorite essay?
I had a really high bar for choosing only essays that I thought were good. But there were a few that do stand out. One was the story of this woman, Jennifer Wolff Perrine, who adopts a child from a couple who can't afford to keep their baby. It was just so moving, and it said so much about class and culture and all the things you're not supposed to talk about, but that exist. I just thought it was so raw and honest.
What do you hope people take from the book?
Even though the life circumstances are very different in all these pieces, what I hope is that you see little bits of yourself in every essay. You see the subtle ways that money plays out in all of our relationships. It's a game-changer.
Want to know if your money style meshes with your partner's? Take this Love and Money Score quiz from CBS Moneywatch and then have your S.O. take it as well.
Kate Ashford is a freelance journalist who writes about personal finance and health (and other things). Without online shopping, she wouldn't own anything. Her work has appeared in Money, Health, and Glamour. For more, check out HerTwoCents.com More Good Stuff on the Web:
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Wednesday 17 February
By Eddie
Hay it works both ways. I was dating a girl that had a great job, as did I. After about a year of dating she started asking me about moving in together so she could quit her job. I finally got so tired of hearing how she wanted to get married so she could stay home and make a family. In our last disagreement about it she said her dad worked 2 jobs so her mom could stay home. How come when it comes to every other issue women want equality, but when it comes to working it is the mans responsiblity to work and flip the bill. I'll be damed if I am going to kill myself with 2 or 3 jobs so someone can sit home and do nothing. What finally broke the camels back, is she wanted to move in with me, sell her house and in her words have money for her to fall back on if I did meet her expectation. Result; KICK HER TO THE CURB!
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Wednesday 17 February
By Chris
BINGO!!!--Sooner or later, any single man that makes a decent salery will find himself in this situation.Although, haveing a few kids and cleaning house can be a full time job.I guess It depends on the woman, .I know couples that have this arrangement. Wife usally goes back to work after the kids start school.
Wednesday 17 February
By kamira
I can completely relate to this man's irritation with women being fine working to provide themselves with life's necessities while they're legally single but having a major problem with doing the exact same thing when they're in a relationship, married or not. I'm a single woman with two young men-children & I work like I am supposed to support the life choices I made & accepted. If I marry, I expect my husband/potential husband to work if for no other reason than that of a man who doesn't work doesn't eat! I'm used to working & taking care of life business. It's mandatory in my life & therefore understood by me. I'm working, relationship or not. I would go so far as to say especially in a relationship, more mouths = more money required. Now, it would be nice to be able to be a homemaker & carry the responsibility of supporting my husband from a personal & emotional & physical standpoint while caring for the children & so forth, but my position is this: I'm going to be a career woman when you find me with no qualms about a female working & I maintain that attitude after we commit & get on the marriage road.
Wednesday 17 February
By mbw
Once again, like you said, most woman want equality in all aspects, but deeply rooted they want that financial security (greed if you ask me). If they don't contribute their half. Then guess who becomes stuck with the baton in their hand? Good riddance! Finding a woman these days that's TRULY not interested in money, it would be easier finding a needle in a massive haystack!
Wednesday 17 February
By Ann
Wow Eddie. As a former stay at home mom, I have to wonder what exactly you mean by "sit and home and do nothing?" Maybe your ex was truly a moocher, but not all of us who opt for a traditional family are.
From the time that I was legally old enough at 15 to get a job, until I turned 25 and my husband and I decided to start our family, I always employed. I do understand why you don't want to work three jobs at once. Of course, I did exactly that during the late 80's when I was trying, in vain, to pay my way through college. Before that, I had had a bit of practice juggling jobs when I held both a full time office position and a part time cashier job. Fond memories! Let me tell you, those were easy times compared to running a household with four children. Still, leaving the world of paychecks behind was the best thing I could do for our family. I could not bear to bring children into this world, only to turn them over to someone else to raise for 8 hours a day. My being "here" for my husband was a very big plus for our relationship as well. I daresay he actually likes being a good provider and having an appreciative wife at home. Go figure.
Because all four of our children are in school now, I have returned to the work force, but only as a part time preschool teacher. Guess, I'm just lazy huh?
Wednesday 17 February
By san
Dear Eddie:
She is from the old way; but Eddie how do you expect a woman to keep a home nice, make nice meals raise two children and work full time, That is two very hard things to do in a 24 hour time frame. I did it but half of my life I never had time for myself it was about the husband, the house, the kids, the job.......Yikes!
Wednesday 17 February
By ND
Here here, Eddie!
Wednesday 17 February
By JimDan
hahaha DO NOTHING AT HOME>>>??? are u freakinfg kidding me??? do you have any idea of the work that takes to be a housewife....
she is lucky to be with a guy ike you...
Wednesday 17 February
By Vaughn
Kick her to the curb. She is one the confused ones that was discussed in the article. Good job bro.
Wednesday 17 February
By Deanna
Eddie...you're just a guy and a moron. Some "men" actually take something called p r i d e in providing for their family. I can break it down for you and all the other immasculated guys out there who share your mindset...these men care so much for their women and children they wouldn't dream of putting their children in day orphanages at six weeks of age because they can't cut it or expect their women to re-enter the work force even before their episiotomy or ceserean section incisions have fully healed. Do the world a favor and get a vasectomy.
Wednesday 17 February
By hatesgames
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wednesday 17 February
By Mr.GreenGrass
lol....thats sum funny ass shit .....but i bet it wasnt funny when u were goin through it.....some ppl are fuckin crazy
Wednesday 17 February
By seavet1
Finally a women who has told the truth about many relationships, it is all about money and sex. Women provide the sex and men provide the money. Does anyone really wonder why our divorce rate is 1out of 2 in this country.
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Sunday 01 August
By ct
When men start letting go of their notion that women should have to work 8+ hours day at the office and then come home and spend another 8+ hours taking care of the household (children and him), then maybe the divorce rates will go down. It might be fine for other women to want to do it all, I refuse that. I think it's unfair that women should have to take care of the kids and do the household chores by herself when she works full-time just like the husband while the husband comes home and just relaxes.
Wednesday 17 February
By JIm
The writer is beautiful!
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Wednesday 17 February
By Jacob
@HJ: What, in the world, are you talking about? Hey I am a Catholic and yes I read the Bible but I have no idea what is relevant about what you wrote and the subject matter of the article. Trule, very strange.
Anyway, I make about multiple times more money thean my GF. It's an issue to the extent when we fight, she uses it against me, declaring that she has no control over any affairs of ours, and that I try to leverage money to solve issues that need love to solve (because, apparently, the flowers I bought from the dog house are too expensive). Quite frankly, I would rather she make comparable amount of money as I do, because I do think that our income discrepancy contributes to her insecurity and fear of loss of control. And, as Yoda said, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering. If money is, as some say, root of all evil, then would the lack of money lead to salvation? I don't think so, unfortunately. Vanity, in my opinion, is the true root of all evil. (ok that last sentence has nothing to do with the article either but it's true!)
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Wednesday 17 February
By Loren
Marriage is not a 50/50 thing, it is a 100/100 thing. It is 2 people working together to reach common goals. My wife and I both worked our butts off to get to where we are secure financally. Know we both do what we want to do to make money. It was hard work but it was worth it. Had went up and we went down, but the point is we did it together. One was not more important than the other, we are partners. This year will be 30 years. I was 17 and she was 15 when we got married and never seperated, ya, fought a lot at times. When it gets to where the rubber hits the road, she is my best friend and that makes it worth it all.
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Wednesday 17 February
By Michael
I agree that you are very fortunate to be together on money and effort. I, on the other hand, had been divorced by my spouse due to money and indebtedness. MY wife was and is out of control with money. We got in severe debt due to every possible avenue; credit cards, loans, hidden purchases which could not be supported by our real income. The indebtedness came directly from one person only, MY WIFE. Getting into $ 100K, $50K, $75K,debt cycles is enough to kill any rational and good willed relationship. When one person puts the other in major unexpected debt, what happens? Most dig in and get back out of debt. Usually one learns from mistakes and grows to become more responsible. BUT, as history has proven, My wife never learned. She continued with the cycles until I finally took control unilaterally of my income and where it was going. a couple of years brought the marriage to an end by her divorcing me. I presently still support the roof over my former wife and the children, as I should, and she is now again in deep financial trouble - the bird in the bush mentality still reigns. My hope to all who read this imput, will take this to the bank: Work together on money issues, Not separately. If both commit, then the playing field is level and fair, nobody can be hurt more than the other.
GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE GOOD PEOPLE WITH GOOD INTENTIONS
Wednesday 17 February
By LG
Congrats on your 30 years, I am on the other end this would have been 30 for us but money ended it for us 2 years ago. I was 21 she was 18, I knew in 8th grade I would marry her, so very close to you. The breaker was we spoke of being there for our parents we were they all died during our marriage, but we never spoke of money, I worked 2 & 3 jobs many a times, she stayed home with the 2 kids until the youngest started school. before she went back to work we bought our house. When she had to go back to work that was the start of the END. She always controlled the money, then I noticed there was never enough for her. I thought we were simple people, but she was far from it I guess. When a kid went on drugs, did not matter to her suddenly all her friends were new ones. And single work friends of both sexes became important than problems at home. Suddenly money she made was hers. Raises on her end I would never know, I got a raise I would make known the day I got it. Vows mean nothing to some people when the going gets rough bail out for GREENER pastures, Money is the root of all evil. Congrats again on 30 may you stay together til death do you part! "
Wednesday 17 February
By Vince
17 and 15 when you married? In West Virginia or Mississippi?