It's as awkward as a sudden pimple breakout or Juliette Lewis at a red carpet event -- that time during every date when the server approaches the table and drops off the bill. You both think, Who pays?
You each either: A) stare at it, silently willing the other person to pick it up; B) pretend nothing has happened and continue blithely chattering, prolonging the inevitable negotiation of payment; or C) excuse yourself to the bathroom, never to return.
So what is the proper way to negotiate paying the tab for the evening? What are the rules for who pays? In 2010, is it still fair to expect a guy to pay every time?
Navigating the waters of high -- or low -- finance can be embarrassing, irritating or just plain confusing. When your grandma was on the stroll, there was no question about who paid on a date -- the guy. He was expected to pick up the tab all the time, every time, to show his ability to provide for a family. But these days you're pulling down your own cash and are more than capable of paying for yourself on a date, or picking up the tab for both of you. So what do you do when that leatherette portfolio hits the table?
Etiquette expert Amy Alkon, author of "I See Rude People: One Woman's Battle to Beat Some Manners Into Impolite Society" advises that you keep things simple on a first date. "Guys should not take a woman they don't know on an expensive first date," she says. "It's like a stranger buying your groceries. It's nice to get to know someone over drinks first. Think cheap, short and local." If he asked you out, expect him to spring for the wine or coffee you're meeting over on your first outing together.
Should things go well and a second date is happening, the expectations change somewhat. "If a woman's fair, she's going to pick up the tab on the second date," says Alkon. "There should be mutuality in every aspect [of a relationship], including spending. You don't want to feel that you're someone's funding arm. When I had a poor boyfriend, we alternated paying, but I worked it so I would pay when we went to more expensive places. I didn't want to cause him financial hardship."
On the other side of things, Alkon says, if your date does have money, "Don't be greedy. Don't be a gold digger. You need to be with him for his company, not for his company card."
Bottom line: Neither of you should be going broke for the sake of a relationship. Treat your honey in the spirit of equality and respect, and he'll do the same for you. If not, it might be time to find a new dude.
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Friday 29 January
By J
A man that doesnt pay for me when we are on a date doesnt get a second date. I think its rude. What happened to chivalry? And by the way men still make more $$$ then women for the most part.
Guess what guys, I'm a single mom and I'm very good looking and I dont have the money to buy you dinner, I am busy raising a little man to treat women how I expect to be treated. I dont remember my dad giving birth and I dont remember nursing on my dad soooooo guess what... stop being cheap asses and pay for dinner.
Girls only ever pay as a gift or a special treat and any man who expects more doesnt deserve you. Dont be afraid to cook dinner for them though, thats a nice thing to do for your guy.
I dated a man for 5 years and payed for dinner maybe 5 times.... that's a man. And he was happy to do so and wouldnt let me pay.
men who don't pay are cheap, broke, ugly a$$ loners. Good luck with equality buddies.
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Tuesday 21 June
By Clone#4
@ J - I'm happy for hubby/babydaddy. That he was able to break free the clutches that are you, unfortunately AFTER you bred. BTW, where's that guy you dated for 5 years? My guess is that you are a single mother in her early/mid thirties. You date a lot, but nothing really works out. The harsh reality is you're damaged goods and angry about it. It shows in your posts. You also show little class with that sense of entitlement. Being selfish and is just as bad as being cheap.
Friday 29 January
By paul
not sure what planet the author lives on!!?? i live in south florida, men are expected to pay! especially if its internet dating...several times i have gone out on reasonable dinners and when she asked if she coult help with the bill, i suggested she pay the tip...only to find out later she was major "insulted" by this suggestion. women should have equality in all areas...especially in dating but guess what pretty much nothing has changed in 50 years...sadly
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Friday 29 January
By Mike
If I ask someone to lunch or dinner, I always pay. If my date try's to pay, it upsets me. If my date wants to add to the tip , thats fine. Maybe I'm too old fahsoned. If it's family or friends, it's understood in the beginning. I don't understand what is so dificult about that...
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Friday 29 January
By Mike
Talk about cheap!! I once trimmed a tree for a friend, cleaned up all the debri and in turn he offered to buy dinner for payment. I accepted. He took me to an Italian rest. and insisted I get the all you can eat spagetti for $2.99. when the bill came he insisted I pay the extra 50 cents for the mushrooms that I got.
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Friday 29 January
By j
Holy crap mike! That is cheap. Wow! i hope you never see that person again. you deserve better even if it is just your friend and not a date.
Friday 29 January
By Amber
When I met my husband, no matter who suggested a date, he would not let me pay, in fact, when I'd take out my plastic he'd get upset.
That said, he has more money and a higher quality of life since marrying me.
I don't think there is anything wrong with being old fashioned and wanting a man to pay for dates. What's wrong is when a woman takes advantage of that and sees it as an opportunity to live above her means on someone else's money.
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Friday 29 January
By Michelle
The guy should pay for most of the dates, especially the first dates. For those who call is prostitution, since when does dinner mean that you have to sleep with the guy? To each their own I guess, but that's not me. Of course once I am a little more steady with the guy, I ask and pay a whole lot more! That's just the way it works for me! Do what works for you.
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Tuesday 21 June
By Clone#4
I agree with Amanda a few posts back. As a token of tradition, a guy should pay for the first few dates completely. But if it's going to be a regular, ongoing thing. A woman should hold up her end. I'm not saying pull out a calculator to split the check. But alternate, get the tip, throw the bar tab down before leaving the bar area to be seated to eat, stuff like that.(or at least try)
In the past men were the bread winners. Women didn't have the the education, earning power or other opportunities that men had. Most were expected to get married, have children and manage a home. These days women work just like men, and have equaled or exceeded men in education and corporate management. Also most women talk, act and are sexually aggressive just like men. It's the old saying of "Cake, and eating it too".
Call me what you like. But I believe a woman who demands to be boundlessly pampered and impressed is selfish, and the guy who puts up with it is either a fool or an egomaniac.
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