It's as awkward as a sudden pimple breakout or Juliette Lewis at a red carpet event -- that time during every date when the server approaches the table and drops off the bill. You both think, Who pays?
You each either: A) stare at it, silently willing the other person to pick it up; B) pretend nothing has happened and continue blithely chattering, prolonging the inevitable negotiation of payment; or C) excuse yourself to the bathroom, never to return.
So what is the proper way to negotiate paying the tab for the evening? What are the rules for who pays? In 2010, is it still fair to expect a guy to pay every time?
Navigating the waters of high -- or low -- finance can be embarrassing, irritating or just plain confusing. When your grandma was on the stroll, there was no question about who paid on a date -- the guy. He was expected to pick up the tab all the time, every time, to show his ability to provide for a family. But these days you're pulling down your own cash and are more than capable of paying for yourself on a date, or picking up the tab for both of you. So what do you do when that leatherette portfolio hits the table?
Etiquette expert Amy Alkon, author of "I See Rude People: One Woman's Battle to Beat Some Manners Into Impolite Society" advises that you keep things simple on a first date. "Guys should not take a woman they don't know on an expensive first date," she says. "It's like a stranger buying your groceries. It's nice to get to know someone over drinks first. Think cheap, short and local." If he asked you out, expect him to spring for the wine or coffee you're meeting over on your first outing together.
Should things go well and a second date is happening, the expectations change somewhat. "If a woman's fair, she's going to pick up the tab on the second date," says Alkon. "There should be mutuality in every aspect [of a relationship], including spending. You don't want to feel that you're someone's funding arm. When I had a poor boyfriend, we alternated paying, but I worked it so I would pay when we went to more expensive places. I didn't want to cause him financial hardship."
On the other side of things, Alkon says, if your date does have money, "Don't be greedy. Don't be a gold digger. You need to be with him for his company, not for his company card."
Bottom line: Neither of you should be going broke for the sake of a relationship. Treat your honey in the spirit of equality and respect, and he'll do the same for you. If not, it might be time to find a new dude.
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Thursday 28 January
By vizslalvr
Call me old fashioned, but if a man asks me out, he needs to pay.
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Thursday 28 January
By Kyle
Bravo! I'm a guy, and I agree completely.
Friday 29 January
By JB
Agreed if a man asks me out he should pay - but I just asked my boyfriend out and I'm going to pay. I really don't think its fair for the man to have to pay all the time. He pays most of the time because he makes twice as much as I do however I like being able to pick up the check once and awhile and he loves to be spoiled as much as I do.
Friday 29 January
By old fashioned
I agree...If a guy asks you out...they are responsible to pay. If a girl asks a guy out...they they should pay...simple...
Friday 29 January
By JOEL
HMMMMMMMMMMMMM GUESS YOU WANT THE GUY TO HAVE GOOD MANNERS AS IN DAYS OF YORE. AND WHAT DOES HE GET FROM YOU, BESIDES A DATE THAT IS SELFISH AND CHEAP..
BET YOU WANT LOBSTER AND CHAMPAGNE.
JUST KNOW YOUR A MCDONALDS GIRL.
Thursday 28 January
By erika
I just figured the modern etiquette was, whoever asks, pays. If I ever AM in doubt, or if the man asked me but seems to have no intention of paying, then I'll pay and just not see him again.
I don't want to be any guy's free ride, just as most guys don't want a woman free-loading on them (and a lot of guys these days seem to think that that is what them paying for a date is!).
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Friday 29 January
By PoochMama4two
Whoever does the inviting or asking should pay. I wouldn't ask a man to go somewhere and then expect him to pay for it. That's just rude. Likewise, if he asks me to go somewhere he should pay.
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Friday 29 January
By Steve
What an absolutely non-informative article. It basically amounts to the suggestion that the guy should pay for coffee or dessert or a drink. The article conveniently avoids the age old question as to "who should pay for dinner?". By this, I mean a "regular" dinner. Not a snack at the local diner and not a multi-hundred dollar tab at a world renowned steak house. One of the most misleading articles I have ever read.
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Friday 29 January
By Linda
I SO agree Steve. HAGD!
Friday 29 January
By thogordo
Why do women think we are living in the Victorian era? This is the 21st Century. Equal Rights are here. With them come equal responsiblities. All dating expenses should be shared equallly. Women who insist on the man paying almost everything (and, that's most women) are bordering close to prostitution. The women who get my respect and affection, are those who say: "let me share that bill with you. I enjoyed our date as much as you did!"
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Friday 29 January
By RICK
EQUAL RIGHTS SEEM TO BE 2 SIDED AND MUNIPULATED AS NEEDED BY THOSE WHO ARE UNSCRUPULOUS
SCREAM FOR YOUR FEMALE RIGHTS AND GET THEM
ASKED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY RIGHTS AND IT OUT THE DOOR MENTALLITY DOUBLE STANDARD DOES EXIST HERE
YOU SEE IT ALL THE TIME NEVER HAS A LIBERATED LADY HELD THE DOOR FOR ME BUT THEY WILL STAND THERE FOREVER TILL I DO IT FOR THEM
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Friday 29 January
By Patti
If I'm correct, this article states that the first date should be cheap and the guy should pay......the second date should be more expensive and the girl should pay!!!!! Are you kidding me???? If you ask me, whoever does the asking should pay, especially if they are choosing where to go.!
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Monday 01 February
By lori
Patti- i understood it the same way you did - first date cheap, second date dinner on the woman. Strange advice. So much depends on age, finances, interest, etc.. there is no right answer on who pays and how much. Whoever invited should pay is best advice, and the one inviting should choose where. But, personally, if I met a guy who followed the rule as stated in this article, there would only be one date - the first.
Friday 29 January
By Amanda
I agree with most people on here, if I ask a man out on a date, I should pay. It would of course be rude to ask someone out and then not pay. However, that being said, I think a man should always at least offer to pay for the first few dates. A man who expects to be treated to dinner by a woman is, in my opinion, not even close to being a gentleman. I've been in a relationship for the last 3 years, and once we got into the swing of things, it was either dutch or alternating bill pick up. I think if a woman has a job and is earning decent money, she should feel the obligation to contribute, as well. Expecting a man to pay for everything, puts unnecessary pressure on him when two people are perfectly capable of splitting.
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Monday 01 February
By lori
So true Amanda, well stated.
Saturday 27 November
By Paloma
Amanda, I couldn't have put it better myself. You and I are of the same mindset. This seems so logical to me.
Friday 29 January
By Rae D
I think whoever asks generally should pay. However, these days, there is nothing wrong with alternating depending on finances -- he buys the movie tickets, you pay for the popcorn and drinks. He paid for dinner Friday night, you pay the following Saturday, etc. But ultimately, I think the most respectful thing anyone can do is never order anything that costs more than the money they have available to pay themselves, i.e., if we go to a nice Italian restaurant and all I have is $20, I won't order anything that costs more than $20. Regardless of expectations, you can cover your meal if necessary and do not come across as greedy and thoughtless.
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Friday 29 January
By brian
i believe in the old school man pays for everything and well women do what they do best yes i said it
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Friday 29 January
By Vee
Right on!
Friday 29 January
By caramelosdos
What utter nonsense. If a man asks you out, HE PAYS, PERIOD.
If on the other hand YOU ask HIM out, then YOU PAY, PERIOD.
What the heck is so difficult to understand about this? This is how it has
been since the beginning of time, just ask the GEICO ape guys.
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