I've been single since the Sumerians were settling Eridu (if you believe this psychic in New Orleans who told me my soul has been around -- and single -- since the sixth millennium B.C.), so yeah, I've been on a lot of dates. I won't claim I'm an expert, but I know enough to actually be helpful to you lady readers. In the interest of both men AND women, I give you the eloquently titled, painstakingly wrought
Things Women Do On Dates That Suck That I Wish They Wouldn't Do Anymore
Checking Your Phone
Look, guys know that the friend who calls you exactly 30 minutes into our date isn't really in the hospital with Toxic Shock Syndrome. It means you're not interested. But if you're actually into a guy you're on a date with, put away your damn phone.
I know that it's tempting when you feel your phone vibrating to check it out (hell, I want to too), but just don't. I promise I'll inevitably get up to pee out some beer, and the suspense will have made it all the better when you can see on your Blackberry that your friend Melissa just ate a questionable taco.
Complaining
If you're already unhappy about the selection of the bar, the seats at the restaurant, the crowd, the ambiance and/or the noise level on the very first date, how is date three not going to be an episode of "The McLaughlin Group"? I often marvel at how willing people are to get negative right from the jump, whether it's about the actual date itself or their own lives (overbearing mother, oily boss).
Look, we're on a first or second date! We might mash face or even genitals. Let's keep it positive!
Unabashed Disappointment
You were hoping I was a young Paul Newman but instead discovered I'm more of an "Aliens"-era Paul Reiser? I'm sorry about that. Hey, I feel those pangs of disappointment, too. I really want to meet the love of my life and was hoping you were gonna be it. You're not. I'm not. But we just ordered martinis. Maybe we could just have fun anyway, despite my not owning piercing blue eyes and a salad dressing conglomerate?
Not Getting That It's Not Happening (This One Is About You Too, Dudes)
When a girl wants to see if a guy is interested in another date, she's typically sweet about it. Like, "Hey I had fun, hope we can do it again soon!"
Dudes, however, are rarely that pleasant. First, we make assumptions that a second date is imminent (a text like "When are we getting that drink???") If we want a second date and you don't, we often get all apocalyptic and start acting like Mark Wahlberg in "Fear."
If a guy won't text or call a girl who likes him, this is usually when she will -- if I'm to believe romantic comedies -- polish off a magnum of crappy Australian wine with her girlfriends and curse his name. That's a much healthier way to deal with a brush-off than smashing the windows of her dad's Corvette.
Really Not Getting That It's Not Happening
Look, you have to be conscious at the end of a date. Not in terms of sobriety, but in terms of social and behavioral cues. It's possible to get all the information you need on whether or not things are working in the moment of your goodbye, if not in the hours preceding it.
If he or she's not clearly proactive about the prospects of seeing you again, just shut it down. "That was fun" does not constitute affirmations of a future date. It's date-wrap-up boilerplate, just like how saying "God bless you" to someone who just sneezed doesn't make you a Lutheran. Your date doesn't want to see you again. Respect that.
Asking If I'm Free Tomorrow
Really? We just met. We're out now. Even if I like you, we're probably not going out again the very next night. Why? Um, I don't know, because we both have lives? Because that means you're a little too available?
Rudeness to a Bartender/Server
Deal-breaker. Straight up. It's over. Unless the waiter turned your thighs into Freddy Krueger's face by spilling a bowl of piping hot lentil soup on you, you have absolutely no reason to be rude to the waitstaff, ever, especially on a date.
Having Immutable "Rules"
Oh, you "hate reality TV?" Get over yourself, banker dude! If she wants to talk about "Jersey Shore" (God help us), that's okay! Dating is awkward and painful a lot of the time, so even if a girl's taste in television makes me question her reading level, I try to go easy on everybody and just have fun.
Likewise, just because I'm a Red Flag Machine and your mother would clearly loathe me doesn't mean you have to submarine the date from the get-go. This also goes for being disappointed in the person physically if you've never met them before. Be a nice guy and maybe you'll have a new, flat-assed female friend.
Watching Me Eat
God, dinner dates are the worst. Oh yes, please, scrutinize the face I make when I bite into something surprisingly spicy. Don't worry about me, that's just a huge glob of white creme fraiche I'm wiping off my dumb lips.
You know what? Let's not go to dinner on date one, all right? I need to get to know you before I'm willing to be in a position where I've unwittingly squirted you with Bloomin' Onion grease.
Talking About Your Ex
Hey! You know what I don't care about? Your last boyfriend. Not yet, anyway. On a first or second date? I'd rather hear about your gynecologist's cold hands. Even if it's relevant ("Oh hey, my ex used to play basketball there!"), I don't want to hear about it.
OK, team. That's my wish list. If you could have your dates stop doing one thing, what would it be?
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Wednesday 13 January
By sabrina
While my single soul wasn't wandering around Mesopotamia waiting to be the Sumerian King's twelfth wife, I have been a single gal as of late.
And let me tell you, after going on one good first date and more bad first dates than I really care to tally up, your list is brilliant and should definitely be studied by both men and women wishing to be more than just 'that girl/guy I awkwardly went for drinks with'.
Because, as I have tried to explain to one bad date, telling me all about your soon-to-be ex-wife while eating potato skins and using your cell phone to email your buddy about the crap service really isn't going to make me want to go out with you again. The handshake at the end of the evening should have been clue enough.
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Wednesday 13 January
By fcc
I couldn't agree more with the "no phones" suggestion. Every time you check / send a text message you're basically telling me I'm not nearly as interesting as the rest of your life. Aside from being plane rude, it disrupts our convo and messes with my mojo. The ONLY exception is if your girlfriend / sister texts you to ask "how's it going" and you write back something like "perfect / really fun / awesome". Then I will know you may want to hump me, and I will feel more confident and will be even better company.
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Monday 18 January
By Karine
OMG can I relate .. I had a date not too long ago where the guy checked his cell 9 times - texted and talked 6 times before the dinner arrived. I told him that if he would take one more call i would leave. Well, He just could not get over his self importance and ansered his cell onece more .. I go tup was nice by cancelling my dinner with the greeter and left ..
One thing did carckme up regarding his ignorance. I had several messages from him asking what was wrong ! Oh well, it takes all kinds. I had no reason to answer his call - obviously, it was all about him ...
Wednesday 13 January
By MrsWonkyPoo
Hmmm...wouldn't "Having Immutable Rules" then cancel out having all these "rules"? Just asking.
I love this column. I'm also wondering if having all these wants and desires can't be detrimental. If you like someone, you're going to like them, whether or not they take out their phone during the date (BECAUSE, if they are someone who takes out their phone during a date and that is something that annoys you, you're not going to click and vice versa). Likewise, I have a friend who, after having a lunch date with a guy, ended up meeting him again for dinner. Didn't freak either one of them out because they wanted to extend the good time. That was five years ago. And I don't think they are the exception to the rule. People, girls especially, are too worried about rules: If he likes you, he likes you. If the little things about your personality turn you off, he didn't like you. Move on to someone who does. Oh god, I sound like a self-help book, but I really believe this!
Finally, getting Doritos sprayed on your face during a date, might not be fun, but it can be FUNNY, I'm still laughing about it....
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Sunday 17 January
By Cassie
Yes, but in all reality how many people have you come to know that go on a date and just because of one little thing that they did not like happened the rest of the date totally bombed? There are many people who, while wanting to find someone, want the person to be absolutely perfect from the get go. Too many people have unrealisticly romantic ideas of how an ideal relationship-forming date is supposed to go. So what if he/she isn't perfect? Maybe those little quirks are the things you might come to love the most. Sometimes feelings develop overtime, you just have to give them the opportunity to grow.
Monday 18 January
By liamascorcaigh
"If he likes you, he likes you"
That's true; but sometimes he doesn't know likes you - yet!
Tuesday 09 February
By Mark
I sorta agree with you, but I agree with the article too. You've gotta keep it real but too much reality on the first date is overwhelming.
I think this article presents a decent guideline for what the middle of the road neutral date behavior should be. Once you know what that is, you can compare it to how you are naturally and figure out how much of your real "rude/ weird" self to release on that first date.
Friday 19 March
By PBJ
although I do agree with these 'rules', I can't help but to agree here too. You should always be conscious about first date etiquette, but don't think about them so much that you're not yourself.
If someone really is a person who is usually rude to a waitstaff, or can't control their texting habits, would it be a good idea to disguise all of this on the first date? What if the couple goes on multiple dates, starts a relationship, and this obsession with the rules starts to fade as comfort with one another grows, and you find yourself HATING that person?
I know from experience, as someone who went on five HOT dates with someone, and each date I constantly had these rules playing in the back of my head. I really started to like the guy. I grew more comfortable with myself and then on the sixth date, who knows what happened. Did I really let my gossip flow, and passion for trashy reality shows? or did I share my aggravation about a co-worker who makes odd sniffling noises all day? The guy mysteriously disappeared, and I was left wondering..should I have been myself on the first date and just spared myself these feelings? needless to say, I was hurt. Not depressed and laying in the bed the next day, but wondering what I did wrong.
I know first date etiquette rules. The cell phone thing is really a pet peeve. But I'm going to be myself, and let the guy know I'm playfully cynically, I like wearing shoes with no socks and would rather spend a Sunday drinking beer and wearing no pants. If he likes me, great. if not, no thanks.
Wednesday 13 January
By TA
Cell phones are annoying, however I'm as guilty as the next person. Well put...won't happen again. Complaining, rudeness, "Jersey Shore"...all deal breakers. I'd like to say I'm pretty open minded, but have difficulty being so around close-minded people for some reason. It's very difficult to have an enjoyable time when Suzie is pissing and moaning about not having ketchup for her filet or doesn't realize how much I don't care about Vijay, her ex-boyfriend who's family is royalty on some Pacific island.
Reality is, people know (or at least should know) the appropriate behavior on first (or early) dates. 'Redacted', you put together an accurate list. If previously mentioned person is out of appropriate bounds, there's probably a pretty decent chance it isn't going to work anyway. Check please!
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Wednesday 13 January
By Annabelle
As a divorced woman going around the second time, I'm on board with you. First dates are so awkward and nerve wracking, so even if your not doing somersaults in your head about your date, just be polite, at least pretend to be listening when I speak, and guys, PLEASE DON'T SPEND THE WHOLE NIGHT TALKING ABOUT YOURSELF, and/or make it near impossible for the other party to jump in with a word or two about themselves...l oh one more pet peeve, maybe naive but try to be honest from the start, many men (at least ones you meet online) carry on about how they want a relationship, and then when you meet them they really just want a sex friend, that's cool but some women want that too and others don't, so why can't we all just be straight shooters and save each other alot of maneuvering and posturing about the sex thing, like "Blink" you pretty much know about 10 minutes in if you have any chemistry or not....sign me, Rebecca of SincerityBrook Farm
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Wednesday 13 January
By xhellsbellsx
This is good dating advice for anyone! Be polite. Be open to the possibility of a new friend. Have FUN!
Thanks!
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Thursday 14 January
By Miss Alpha
First dates that are more concerned with finding common ground than having a good laugh drive me nuts. If you've ever been on a really good date, you know that laughing together IS common ground and way more valuable than how much overlap might be in our cd collection. Let's all just have fun, people! Life is too short for anything else.
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Thursday 14 January
By Arggg
I agree with most of those (not all), but especially being rude to a waiter.
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Thursday 14 January
By Simone
I'm thinking about saying "God Bless You" at the end of a date gone wrong. Pretty sure this will deter any further meetings... (sending this article to my girlfriends)
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Saturday 23 January
By Diane
That's gotta do the trick. Classic. But lets face facts girls, all men want for a first date (and pretty much the rest of their lives) is for a woman to make them feel great about themselves. They don't want a 'friend'. They want you to be hot and seductive and spin their minds and fill them with lust. After that, you can go see your girlfriends to feel good about yourself. That's pretty much the game.
Saturday 23 January
By Diane
That's gotta do the trick. Classic. But lets face facts girls, all men want for a first date (and pretty much the rest of their lives) is for a woman to make them feel great about themselves. They don't want a 'friend'. They want you to be hot and seductive and spin their minds and fill them with lust. After that, you can go see your girlfriends to feel good about yourself. That's pretty much the game.
Thursday 14 January
By I have eyes, I can see
Men, please, look in the mirror. If you have to, get a magnifying mirror. And do something Right Now about that nose hair. Talk about gross.
And it doesn't have to be protruding.. If your hair is blonde or gray or white or extra black and it looks gross, do something about it.
You can be gorgeous and filthy rich and bright and funny and charming and great in bed and madly in love with me but if I have to put up with being grossed out by your nose hair, forget it.
Go get that mirror. Now. And remember that we are probably shorter than you and have to look up.
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Sunday 17 January
By Ashley
Oh and along with nose hair, get rid of the ear hair....and Guys, do yourself a favor, if you're turning up empty, pay attention to social cues, don't wear stark white sneakers and pass off on the acid wash jeans!
Monday 18 January
By kittykat
AMEN sister and God bless you! Don't forget about those crazy eyebrow hairs that poke straight out too and that occasional stray ear hair....eek!
Thursday 14 January
By cheryl
Do be nice to the wait staff but do no get overly friendly with the wait staff. If I'm on a date with you I want to feel like you are delighted to be with me and see no other women.To make a good impression make me feel special. Another bad experience was to take me to see a movie that you have already seen and feel the need to talk me through it.
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