An editor at Brides magazine was recently fired for unbuttoning her shirt in the confines of a Conde Nast office -- simply to show her newly augmented breasts to two of her close colleagues. Keep in mind, there was no nudity involved; she simply stripped down to her sports bra. Scandalous, right? We asked Lemondrop readers whether her dismissal from the magazine was sabotage, discrimination, inappropriate work behavior -- or a little of all three.
Some readers were sticklers for office rules and insisted that the staffer's clothing removal was completely office-inappropriate. Mary says, "She was at work. Work implies that someone else is paying her to do her job and unless showing her boobs to coworkers is it -- then she should get fired and shown the door ASAP."
Silent Josh adds, "Seems clear cut to me. Ask any HR person, doesn't matter if it was behind closed doors or not, honestly, closed doors is usually a worse scenario from and HR perspective."
"Didn't the article say she was an editor?" says BromR. "That puts HR (and the company) in the position of 'You should have known better.' It sucks, but sometimes you have to use common sense, all it takes is one goody goody in the office to make the rest of our lives' hell!"
Captain midnight says, "Imagine if a man did this, there can not be double standards." (Reg jokes back, "If a man had a breast augmentation, I might ask to see it at work!")
Other readers are tired of how politically correct everybody tries to be in the workplace. Tie asks, "Who was harmed here? No one ... absolutely no one ... the two women ASKED to see her boobs..therefore no sexual harassment. No harm, no foul."
Trulyuniquelemming puts it in perspective for us: "An office isn't your private property, no, but if a Commander in Chief isn't impeached for getting serviced on company time, while leading the country, in the grander scheme of things, how bad is flashing your friends behind closed doors during a coffee break?"
Another commenter and veteran of the magazine publishing world claims it was a hatchet job. Ruby says, "The woman did nothing wrong. What she did, she did in privacy, and she did nothing inappropriate. The "concerned co-worker" who ran to HR was looking to get her fired, and -- surprise! -- did. Had a friend or two at Conde Nast years ago, and remembered what she told me about the working atmosphere there. Catty, over-competetitve, backbiting, and filled with fear. I imagine, from this article, that it hasn't changed."
PhilB puts it simply: "Two words: office bitches."
Plus, as mabenton points out, the lines are too blurry for this to have been legitimate cause behind her removal. "Would this woman have been fired if she asked her female assistant/friend to assist her with a malfunctioning undergarment? You know what I'm talking about ladies -- you need help pinning or something because youur wardrobe is malfunctioning. You would still be in some state of undress ... How many upper level business people have had to change their shirt/clothes behind closed doors while at work? That number I am sure would be staggerring. Should they also be fired for disrobing?"
Tell us! What do you think -- was this fair or not? Should she have been fired or simply given a warning?












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Tuesday 12 January
By jfunk
what kind of pathetic loser tries to get someone else fired??
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Tuesday 12 January
By ytyuvb
no way she should have shown some nipple and some va jay jay
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Wednesday 13 January
By metrogirl
You got to be kidding me !!
bring her back and say "I am sorry " she was not walking the halls nude
we are in a new millennium
Ya think this whistle blower was jealous ??
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Thursday 14 January
By brandy
Absolutely not! This women should not have been fired. Obviously I'm sure the other women were friends of hers and she felt comfortable speaking to them and it was a private conversation behind closed dors between them. It wasn't as if the women was trying to get office attenion from everyone and bring attenion to herself.It sounds as if this other person had some kind of attitude with this person and was looking for anything and this was perfect - obviously.. It wasn't right, you shouldn't mess with someone's livelyhood over something so pathetic ...What comes around goes around so hopefully in due time this women ''the hater'' will get what she deserves.
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Friday 15 January
By ssandyday
What she did was wrong on many levels. Undressing on company time at her place of bussiness in an office with other employees is bad enough... doing so to show them her new enlarged boobs drops it down yet another level on the professional scale. Seriously... is she really surprised that this is not okay to do at work or is she trying to get undeserved money by suing like so many people do because SHE made a bad mistake and now dosen't want to deal with the consequences. She is an adult women! Big girls need to THINK before DOING! She has every right to be upset but really.... she's surprised this was looked down upon!? I'm assuming due to her job position her IQ level is not below average. She needs to take responsibility for her actions and take it as a lesson learned. Maybe she can put her new boobs and need to show them off to good use and EARN some money at the local strip club where they don't frown upon that type of behavior!
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Friday 15 January
By greg
Looking at this as an ex office manager NO she should not have been fired, YES it was unprofessional and inappropriate, however she should have been given a written warning and told never again, being she was fired with-out any written warning makes me believe there were issues previously, if not the company sets themselves up to be sued because now they won't be able to give others written warnings first or it will look like a double standard. There's more to this than we know.
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Saturday 16 January
By paula
Her termination was completely unjustified! Whoever turned her in had an ax to grind and enough clout to push her out. It's ridiculous!
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Saturday 16 January
By Toga
Based on the information provided in this article, the supervisor should not have been fired but coached and potentially disciplined. An HR representative should ask, "Was the behavior of the person in question perceived by the observer as offensive?" A possible follow-on question would be, "Was the person made aware that the behavior was perceived as offensive or inappropriate by the observer?" - understanding subordinates may not be comfortable offeing that type of feedback. It is not possible to document and communicate the universe of behaviors or words that might be deemed offensive by someone in a work environment. In the gray areas, understand the perception by the observer (not someone else in the office who 'heard' what might have transpired) and provide feedback and counseling to the supervisor to be more successful (unless HR finds the transgression egregious).
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Saturday 16 January
By jonnie johnson
Should they be fired at mangement above employee,yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Look at proper mangement for field of endever.
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Saturday 16 January
By bo
If you ask to see someone's underwear, you are the one who should be fired.
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Sunday 17 January
By Frank
This woman made it clear that she lacks the judgment needed to be in a position of power/management within someone else's company. When you take a management position, you are supposed to act as an employee representing the company owner. I think soliciting the acceptance of others is only human, but when it comes to sexual attraction, the work arena is definitely a bad choice. What will happen if they let this slide and next week she discovers some new sexual technique and again, feels the need to perform some market research before taking it into the field?
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Sunday 17 January
By seek
I find it amazing that she was actually punished
If I had a dollar for every time a man, owner, partner sexually harassed a co-worker or myself, I would be a rich woman
Men in power do and women in power do it
There are bigger fish to fry, I don't think what she did is anything at all People should wake up and realize what really happens in corporate positions
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Sunday 17 January
By katrina M
They fired the wrong person. Until someone gets a backbone and starts snuffing out this petty, backstabbing behavior, it will not only continue, but thrive. Imagine if the HR person had been a professional. She\He would have informed the two-faced, back-stabbing dolt that their was no place or time for their petty ass tattling in that office. Then they would have privately told the stripper to keep her clothes on at work and take her show and tell to a differnt arena.
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Monday 18 January
By Starr
if a male cowoker can show of a tatoo on his chest and he is technically naked cause his nipples are showin then she shoud NOT have been fired she still had her nipples covered so then every man who showes there nipples in public showed be fined for public nakedness
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Monday 18 January
By NVS
There isn't enough information for me to form an opinion. For instance, if this was done in private, how did management find out about it?
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Tuesday 19 January
By James
Not a sackable offence.
In a private room, it could have been during a break and so not strictly on company time.
With some of the comments here, I wonder if they have ever worked in the real world, where people talk round a drinks machine, go out for a cigarette, play & tell jokes... All of which can be considered unprofessional by some of the people above.
In the UK, I doubt this would have been raised.
The question was what was the relationship with the management before?
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Sunday 24 January
By Tom Vee
First, it is ethically and morally wrong to have breast aumentation -- unless you are a cancer survivor. I am a longtime rmagazine and newspaper editor and columnist, and I uinderstand how stupid many editors can be especially the young ones. So I won't condemn her for showingthe new goods off in the office. But she had no business getting them enhanced in the first place.
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Sunday 24 January
By mediagal
So Conde Nast will allow a male publisher to encourage his two female employees to make out and kiss. He also forced their faces together with so much force that he breaks one of their noses and these actions had no consequences. This poor woman shows a friend surgury results and gets fired...makes no sense...
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Monday 25 January
By ron
done in 'private' or not, with trusted friends or not the behaviour was wrong. fireable? i dont think so. the degree and severity of the consequences to behaviour deemed inappropriate are dependent on the policies of the company. e.g. is the wearing of athletic clothing (shorts, sports bra...) during the workday allowable?
however certainly in her position she should know that the workplace is like the internet in that any information shared, will be shared by all.
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Monday 25 January
By Tom
I do not think she should have been fired. At most, admonished for innapropriate behavior in the office. Political correctness has gotten WAY out of hand. We're being treated like we don't have authority over own opinions or actions. I think it's time we went back to our right to be individuals, not a version of Stepford wives.
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