Slate, the Washington Post's online news and culture magazine, recently announced a new research project dedicated to trying to answer the age-old question anew: Can men and women truly be just friends?Reporter Juliet Lapidos plans to survey a sample of platonic buddies to see whether they stand up in real life better than they do in Hollywood (where all the "Best Friend's Wedding"s, "Reality Bites"es and "When Harry Met Sally"s insist that "the sex part always gets in the way.")
As a girl who has a male roommate (it's just the two of us) and plenty of totally platonic male friends (none of whom I'm interested in boning), I'm a life-long member of the It's Possible camp. But as I've gotten older and moved away from my close-knit group of high school and college friends, I'm beginning to wonder if having a male BFF is about to become a thing of the past. Keep reading ...
I've always had a bevy of dude friends, some of whom I'm attracted to, some of whom I'm not. (Note: There's a difference between acknowledging that someone is attractive and actually being attracted to him.) And they tended to fall into two categories (everyone else was a potential boyfriend or crush):
The Boy BFF (BBFF): This isn't a Dawson Leery-Joey Potter friendship, but more of a Zack Morris-Jessie Spano situation. Whether you roamed the sandbox in diapers together and think of him as a brother, or, for whatever cosmic reason, you're Just Not Attracted to Each Other, I don't know a single girl who doesn't have at least one of these guys in her life. He can take many forms: A friend from college, a female friend's boyfriend, or some dude you used to work with. Even guys you crushed on back in the day, but now have no desire to be naked with, are admissible.
The Bottom Line: This is someone who, even if he delivered you breakfast in bed, in the buff, you wouldn't see in a sexual way. This doesn't mean he's not attractive; he's just not attractive to you. The important thing is that he feels the same way or else, yes, Harry Burns was right.
The Friendly Former F**k-Buddy (FFFB): Sometimes, sex happens. Maybe you didn't want to be the only girl who'd never given a blow job, or maybe you split three bottles of red one night and then felt like getting laid. This can also be a guy you used to date, in another lifetime (Jerry and Elaine style.) While you might occasionally indulge in non-platonic congress with said FFFB, you're by no means interested in a relationship, and it wouldn't bother you if he brought a girl around.
Bottom Line: Unlike a standard f**k-buddy, this is a top-tier friendship that doesn't revolve around hooking up. But, it happened (and maybe continues to happen, every once in a while) and that's that. You're first and foremost best friends. The hooking up doesn't happen when one of you is in a relationship, and neither of you gets jealous (not even in a teeny, won't-admit-it-out-loud kind of way). And he most definitely doesn't cock-block you when you're out together. That's not cool.
But now that I'm older, it seems that -- unless the men in your life have been grandfathered into your post-college world -- these two categories no longer exist. From a guy's point of view, every stranger is either a potential screw ... or nothing. But the thing is, as a single lady, when I meet a guy who I think is cool, but I'm not physically attracted to, I want to be his Just Friend.
I've discussed this with friends and think maybe my recent platonic dry spell comes down to geography. People who live their adult lives near where they grew up or attended college have plenty of friends, male and female, and are set with their circle. They don't need anyone new. As one friend said, "When a guy tells me he wants to be just friends, I think 'You're in your late 20s. Don't you already have enough?'" But when you're new to a city, the answer to that question is usually, "No."
Or maybe it's just that as we get older, relationships get more serious, and, sadly, a good friend of the opposite sex is almost always a threat -- while your high school BBFF's girlfriend may realize you've "been around forever," the girlfriends of newer BBFFs might not be so understanding.
I'll be watching Juliet's stories to see what she finds out, but I also wonder: Do you believe in platonic friendship? And have you found it harder to make Just Friends as you get older?
Erin Scottberg loves scotch and editing Lemondrop. She does not like you like that.












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Wednesday 18 August
By Serengeti
If we all just accept the fact that nobody magically ceases to be attracted to others when in a committed relationship, we'd find this so much easier to deal with! The whole point is that we don't act upon the attraction. Out on the street everyday,not just among friends, we see people we feel attracted to (not just acknowledge are attractive) but it doesn't mean we try to bonk every one of them! Would anybody get anything done if we all acted upon our sexy feelings?! And that's the whole point. We are attracted to others all the time to varying degrees and it is perfectly natural and normal. This doesn't change just because we are in a relationship/married or whatever. It just means that we don't act upon it because we've chosen to be monogamous.
If we feel like we are likely to act upon it some time soon, fantasising about a friend too much, or actually do act upon it, then this means there is a problem in our relationship.
There are people around us all the time with whom we have natural mutual chemistry and under ripe circumstances could have a wonderful relationship and this is true whether we are committed to one person or single. We just have to be less afraid of these feelings and accept them as natural. It is what we choos to do with them that is the main point. We may be in a relationship but our mind, heart and feelings remain our own. So many people think that in a relationship they can control their partner and how they feel. We cannot ever control another human being, so it is pointless to be jealous about our partners attraction to others, especially as, if we are honest, we probably have the same attractions too. They are normal and healthy, do not mean we have to act upon them and we don't need to be afraid.
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Monday 30 August
By Miriam
Uuummm. Good Subject
All my male friends want to bone me. And its more obvious with some than others. The one true platonic male friend I thought I had revealed his true feelings after being friends for about 20 years last year. He wanted me as his woman but never said. Unfortunately I am married now.
As a woman I can honestly say 99% of men won't mind sleeping with their friends, if not all. Most time the ball is in the woman's court. If she feels the same way, game on.
I have another male friend, I liked quite alot and we get on very well. About a year ago, I started fantasizing about kissing him, plus I had to acknowledge he is my type of lover. I tried to drown those emotions because I could not see any similar signs from him. But a few weeks ago I hinted about me missing him, and feeling certain emotions and he quickly reciprocated the same thing. Not just that, there is actually sexual tension there that is growing.
Answer to question is 'rarely do find platonic friendships, if time goes on one or both will like the other. You cannot be friends with someone you are attracted to, period.
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Wednesday 27 October
By katherine
well i am a girl so of course a girl can't just take a guy's word for it that he just wants to be friends. boys lie, manipulate, rape etc.
it takes a special kind of guy to build a friendship with. I have a couple male friends. why are we friends? because my guy friends are intelligent and self controlled gentlemen. It is obvious to me that these guys are not my ideal partners. that is why the guy is my friend and not my boyfriend.
I am not into his drinking. gambling, flirting or his low pay check or his very infrequent phone calls. In short if it was supposed to happen it would have already happened.
I don't need to keep extra sex partners for rainy days. give me a break. if the guy tries to jump my bones right away i don't need him because that shows what little brains or requirments he has.
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Friday 29 October
By Kat L
I'm presently a junior in college and I have a FFFB and let me tell you - at this point, I'm afraid to imagine life after college without him. I met him the second day of our freshman year and he was the first guy I hooked up with at college. We had the epitome of a love/hate relationship the first 6 months we knew each other which somehow has evolved into best friends that everyone thinks are secretly in love with one another because we do everything together. All 3 of his girlfriends that he's had since we've met have hated me. The girl he is presently dating and I actually hung out quite a bit at first, but in the last few weeks our relationship has done a 180 and she no longer likes me - what a suprise lol.
Problem is, I did like him in the beginning, but I also did get over him after the fact. Since we've gotten so much closer things have gotten hard on me once again because aside from the fact that virtually everyone that encounters us together is convinced we're going to get married and we're secretly in love, from time to time he'll tell me he knows I'm one of the only people that he's going to be friends with forever. He openly makes moves on me and in private proposes we mess around again for old time's sake. His roommate is dating my roommate and before his new girlfriend came into the picture the 4 of us were inseparable. We all still hang out and spend time together, but it's clearly a little different now because sometimes I feel guilty that I'm there and not his girlfriend. My roommate recently told me that when the 4 of us hang out she usually just pretends I'm his girlfriend because everyone knows I will be eventually.
I realize I'm totally confused about my feelings towards him because on occasion I do get upset that his girlfriends don't like me, but I realize that I'm always the one who's still around at the end of the day and when he needs a shoulder to cry on - it's always mine. So I find peace in knowing this, but I get nervous when I think of life beyond college and what it holds. I can't even begin to fathom my life without him and a part of me feels like if we don't end up together that could be the end of our friendship which deeply saddens me. When I read this article I chuckled to myself because I've had both types of guy friends and yet my "FFFB" I would consider to be my absolute best friend right now and even one of the top in my whole life. The thought of college ending is scary in itself, but to think I could lose him is far worse...
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Friday 12 November
By Mick
Here's my take on it:
2 main reasons it doesn't work:
1) Women are bad at being a guy's friend because they don't reciprocate like his male friends do, and because women can't abide by bro code...thus logically canceling their friendship card because of their many violations of the bro code.
2) the only way a platonic relationship would be TRULY a platonic relationship is if the GUY had no physical attraction to the girl, not the other way around. Example: If you're a hot girl (or anything considered a 7 and up) who is "friends" with a dude, trust me he wants to slam that strawberry shortcake..he's just waiting for his chance to get in there.
Being blunt: Friend or not, unless he's gay...he has thought about doing it with you and probably jerks off thinking of you every now and then. That's just how it is. You can call it nasty all you want ladies, but men are stimulated by logical things (Maybe you look good or you have big tits or something, therefore you are immediately sexually appealing. In other words, his boner doesn't discriminate the way your social stigma does!). However, women are stimulated by emotional responses..therefore the way they choose sexual partners is much more varied and complicated. That in and of itself is a HUGE reason why platonic male/female friends cant work.
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Wednesday 15 December
By Mystique
I have had male friends and most if not all of them have confided in me that they have had thoughts of "knocking boots" but choose to be a gentleman and respect the friendship we had. A few mentioned they enjoy our friendship and wouldn't want to mess it up by making an unwanted move on me. Others had said they have had "thoughts" about what they would like to do to me if given the green ligh, but just dont mention it to me. So I do believe in RARE occurances that it can happen, BUT it is not without knowing the men, secretly or otherwise, have sexual thoughts from time to time. It is those who choose not to act upon them that will remain my true friends.
So I believe what has been mentioned, that men usually will not have female friends they wouldn't mind getting in their pants. I think it is the nature of the beast, that men to try and "conquer" women when given the opportunity. Married men and men in relationships that I know, have made passes at me, just to see if I will pay them any attention. I tell them that if they are not happy with whom they are with, then they should be single and free to "play" as they wish, while being in a relationship, I feel it totally inappropriate to flirt, play, or stray!
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