Slate, the Washington Post's online news and culture magazine, recently announced a new research project dedicated to trying to answer the age-old question anew: Can men and women truly be just friends?Reporter Juliet Lapidos plans to survey a sample of platonic buddies to see whether they stand up in real life better than they do in Hollywood (where all the "Best Friend's Wedding"s, "Reality Bites"es and "When Harry Met Sally"s insist that "the sex part always gets in the way.")
As a girl who has a male roommate (it's just the two of us) and plenty of totally platonic male friends (none of whom I'm interested in boning), I'm a life-long member of the It's Possible camp. But as I've gotten older and moved away from my close-knit group of high school and college friends, I'm beginning to wonder if having a male BFF is about to become a thing of the past. Keep reading ...
I've always had a bevy of dude friends, some of whom I'm attracted to, some of whom I'm not. (Note: There's a difference between acknowledging that someone is attractive and actually being attracted to him.) And they tended to fall into two categories (everyone else was a potential boyfriend or crush):
The Boy BFF (BBFF): This isn't a Dawson Leery-Joey Potter friendship, but more of a Zack Morris-Jessie Spano situation. Whether you roamed the sandbox in diapers together and think of him as a brother, or, for whatever cosmic reason, you're Just Not Attracted to Each Other, I don't know a single girl who doesn't have at least one of these guys in her life. He can take many forms: A friend from college, a female friend's boyfriend, or some dude you used to work with. Even guys you crushed on back in the day, but now have no desire to be naked with, are admissible.
The Bottom Line: This is someone who, even if he delivered you breakfast in bed, in the buff, you wouldn't see in a sexual way. This doesn't mean he's not attractive; he's just not attractive to you. The important thing is that he feels the same way or else, yes, Harry Burns was right.
The Friendly Former F**k-Buddy (FFFB): Sometimes, sex happens. Maybe you didn't want to be the only girl who'd never given a blow job, or maybe you split three bottles of red one night and then felt like getting laid. This can also be a guy you used to date, in another lifetime (Jerry and Elaine style.) While you might occasionally indulge in non-platonic congress with said FFFB, you're by no means interested in a relationship, and it wouldn't bother you if he brought a girl around.
Bottom Line: Unlike a standard f**k-buddy, this is a top-tier friendship that doesn't revolve around hooking up. But, it happened (and maybe continues to happen, every once in a while) and that's that. You're first and foremost best friends. The hooking up doesn't happen when one of you is in a relationship, and neither of you gets jealous (not even in a teeny, won't-admit-it-out-loud kind of way). And he most definitely doesn't cock-block you when you're out together. That's not cool.
But now that I'm older, it seems that -- unless the men in your life have been grandfathered into your post-college world -- these two categories no longer exist. From a guy's point of view, every stranger is either a potential screw ... or nothing. But the thing is, as a single lady, when I meet a guy who I think is cool, but I'm not physically attracted to, I want to be his Just Friend.
I've discussed this with friends and think maybe my recent platonic dry spell comes down to geography. People who live their adult lives near where they grew up or attended college have plenty of friends, male and female, and are set with their circle. They don't need anyone new. As one friend said, "When a guy tells me he wants to be just friends, I think 'You're in your late 20s. Don't you already have enough?'" But when you're new to a city, the answer to that question is usually, "No."
Or maybe it's just that as we get older, relationships get more serious, and, sadly, a good friend of the opposite sex is almost always a threat -- while your high school BBFF's girlfriend may realize you've "been around forever," the girlfriends of newer BBFFs might not be so understanding.
I'll be watching Juliet's stories to see what she finds out, but I also wonder: Do you believe in platonic friendship? And have you found it harder to make Just Friends as you get older?
Erin Scottberg loves scotch and editing Lemondrop. She does not like you like that.












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Thursday 07 January
By hsb3rd
I know they can, I have more female friends then ever and male friends that have come out of the wood work. Female friends are great no stress, honesty, openness, and just plane fun to be around. Makes for a great day or evening.
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Thursday 07 January
By Heather
Great article! I, too, have mostly male friends and have discovered outside of my married male friends from long ago, it's turned into some sort of open-season on friend-sex. Not just as a fuck-buddy, but as the male friends I know get older they seem to be looking for more, for love, for a connection. Perhaps it's something we're wired to do as we get beyond our wilder days. I don't know, but it's frustrating, because I'd love for just my friends to be my friends and not to have that odd sense of uncomfortability that they're either falling in love or attempting to do so. Or looking to bone me, which in reality for some I wouldn't mind if they could just stick to that, but for whatever reason they can't. Has the damn world gone topsy turvy?
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Thursday 07 January
By Erin Scottberg
Thanks, Heather!
I wonder if it's maybe as we get older (and remain single), some people start to get -- I don't want to say desperate -- but more anxious about finding a mate and they turn toward their friends? I really don't know, but it's interesting to think about ...
Friday 08 January
By Estee
I think aging does affect it. I'm just not a relationship kid--I've tried, I've failed spectacularly, I've lost interest, and now, I like being on my own a lot. But I also see that while I used to have lots of good male friends, as we have gotten older and I stayed on my own while they got married / got moved in together, there was an increasing sense of distance. I don't *want* them and I never have--but I wonder if the specter of the "dangerous" single woman in the SATC mold trumps that we used to have fun just hanging out. I wonder if it's them drifting away, or if they chalk it up to their wife's comfort ("why would he need *another* woman in his life?") thinking it spares my feelings. All I know is, I used to really enjoy friends of any gender, and now I have female friends or gay male friends. Love them, but... bummer, too.
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Thursday 07 January
By erin
remember when jesse spano and zach morris kissed? man, that was an awkward episode of SBTB...
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Thursday 07 January
By coco
I try to awkwardly kiss people all the time, when I'm strung out on amphetamines.
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Thursday 14 January
By Becky
I've all three! None work. Fire and ice cannot survive forever,nor can friendships between men and women. Come on here folks!
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Saturday 09 January
By ~S
Yeah, it really doesn't work unless you're not attracted to the person. LOL
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Friday 08 January
By Mike
Age matters in that when Erin was younger she either deluded herself of was too naive to realize every guy she met was trying to bone her. In real life Mark Paul Goss slept with all three of the chics on Saved by the Bell. I probably took him a while and he couldn't have accomplished it in one week, but if he could've, he would've.
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Saturday 09 January
By Sam
I've found it's pretty easy to make platonic friends after you agree not to date (I'm a guy), but those relationships are somewhat ephemeral. I don't know what my new favorite columnist would say, though. (www.AskEdahn.com) I'll ask.
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Saturday 09 January
By Sam
I've found it's pretty easy to make platonic friends after you agree not to date (I'm a guy), but those relationships are somewhat ephemeral. I don't know what my new favorite columnist would say, though. (www.AskEdahn.com) I'll ask.
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Saturday 09 January
By Sam
I've found it's pretty easy to make platonic friends after you agree not to date (I'm a guy), but those relationships are somewhat ephemeral. I don't know what my new favorite columnist would say, though. (www.AskEdahn.com) I'll ask.
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Saturday 09 January
By vincent
theres is a book entitled "inappropriate relationships" with a chapter that deals specifically with this issue of cross gender friendships. it first discusses the definition of true friendship with components such as equality and then goes on to talk about the nature of sustaining these platonic friendships as individuals become older, marry, have children etc etc etc. it is basically a collection of case studies and argues that it is exceedingly difficult to maintain platonic cross gender friendships as one gets older what with cultural scripts(such as the movies you mentioned) and also with elements such as when an individual views their significant other as a best friend, which is often the case, and in doing so may negate the need for cross gender freindships outside the relationship. i would mostly agree with this book's findings.
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Saturday 09 January
By Jijo
Every single heterosexual male sees her female friends as potential sexual partners.
Whoever tells you something different, is lying to himself, or even worse, lying to you girls, so you think "he's different" and "not like other guys" (which is in itself a strategy to evantually get into your pants).
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Thursday 01 April
By Flugle "Horndog" Horn
Friends are good, friends are awesome, but fuck-friends are better and that's not platonic. All attractive friends are potential fuck friends. Even semi-attractive friends have that potential. Finding out that a plain Jane girl buddy is actually a crazed minx is one of life's great joys! That's just the way it is. Sorry ladies, your not-shagging-you-right-now BBFFs are most likely just banking your tail for a dry-spell when they will come to call.
The Horndog
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Saturday 09 January
By Thomas Sullivan Magnum IV
What about someone you used to do heroin with but now just hang out together? Is it wrong that he has seen your asshole and injected it with smack but both of you are still "just friends"?
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Saturday 09 January
By David
I'm 21, and have a few girls I went to school with. They are attractive but I've never seen them in a "F**K Buddy" kind of way. They are just my female friends whom I turn to for dating advice and such. I have never liked them beyond just being friends. If one of them liked me more than friends, good for them, but that's not going to make me like them that way.
I'm at a crossroads right now though. I like this girl I work with. We have everything in common, like all the same things, and she's the only girl I have ever found in my entire life that has everything I've ever wanted and everything I've ever looked for in a women.
Problem is, I can't get up the nerve to tell her. So instead of getting depressed about it, I got desperate and just started talking to a girl I went to school with but didn't really know.
The main issue is that the girl likes me a lot now cause we've had sex a few times, but I don't like her that way. My guy friend said that was called "Rebound". He said that I got desperate and took the next thing in line since I didn't have the nerve to tell the other girl how I really feel because I'm either afraid of what she will think / say, or because I don't want to mess up our friendship.
Any advice about my problem / issue would be great. Thanks :)
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Saturday 09 January
By Beh
Grow some balls dude. You'll never know if you'll you'll never do it. You don't need advice, you already know what to do. Harden up!
Saturday 09 January
By Simon
Of course platonic relationships exist: it's called marriage. (Give it five years, then see how much bonking is going on)
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