First Amy Dickinson told an advice-seeking reader that she was a "victim of [her] own awful judgment" for getting drunk then getting raped. Now the advice columnist for the Chicago Tribune wants us to feel bad for her. Dickinson has been bombarded with outrage from readers since her Ask Amy column ran Nov. 27, but she'd largely stepped back from responding until an email from one reader apparently hit too close to the mark.
Washington City Paper's The Sexist got hold of two emails -- one written to Dickinson and the columnist's response.
Said the reader: "If the lady who wrote to you asking for help never gave consent and thus had sex against her will (see 1) OR if she was too incapacitated by alcohol to legally consent (see 2), she most certainly was raped and she should know that the law is on her side, even if you aren't."
Dickinson's response? "... how dare you call me a rape apologist. I see you are a student or affiliated in some way with [law school]? I would expect someone from [law school] to be more educated, careful, respectful and circumspect. I'm not sure why I would expect that, but I'll adjust. Meanwhile, I don't pass inanities along to people who write in to my column. I figure this young person has suffered enough indignity."
Well, Ms. Dickinson, we'd expect someone handing out advice in a national forum to be more educated, careful, respectful and circumspect. Especially when talking about rape.
As she obviously needs a refresher, a rape apologist is anyone who buys into the myth that rapists can be provoked into raping based on what the victim does or not do. It's blaming the victim, pure and simple, which is what you did in paragraph three of your "advice" wherein you stated, "Getting drunk at a frat house is a hazardous choice for anyone to make because of the risk (some might say a likelihood) that you will engage in unwise or unwanted sexual contact."
"Unwanted sexual contact" is a gussied up way of saying "rape," correct? And you noted that getting drunk at a frat house is directly linked to it?
Sounds like a rape apology to us.
And although Dickinson finally responded on Tuesday in her column to one of her disturbed readers, her excuse that "I certainly didn't intend to offend or blame her for what happened," doesn't hold water.
Why? Because she had to throw a zinger in there: "I hope she will do everything possible to stay safe in the future."
Because it couldn't possibly be anyone's fault but the girl's, right?
Think Dickinson got it wrong? Sign the Tell Amy Dickinson to Correct Her Rape Victim Blaming Advice Column petition.
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Friday 11 December
By Faye
If I put my finger to a flame and get burned, it is my fault.
If I incapacitate myself with booze and get raped, it is my fault.
If I break the law and get caught, it is my fault.
Nowadays, no one is responsible for any of their action(s) or inaction(s).
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Wednesday 16 December
By Cecilia
Faye, well said! I am agree with you.
Saturday 06 March
By Sophie
"If I incapacitate myself with booze and get raped, it is my fault. Nobody is responsible for their actions anymore."
Ummmm, it is never the victim's fault. Simple as that.
If you choose to rape someone, whether out of ignorance or ill-intent, it's your fault. 100% of the time. Talk about shafting responsibility, eh Faye?
Friday 11 December
By KH
I absolutely agree with the advice she gave to the girl. A girl at the university I attend was walking around a shady downtown neighborhood at 4am alone; she was raped. Do I think she deserved to be raped? No, but she sure wasn't taking any precautionary steps to prevent it and, thus, I have much less sympathy for her. It's like having sympathy because a drunk driver wrecked his car...simple cause and effect.
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Friday 11 December
By liz saurer
this woman has said some doozies in the past, she's no dear abby or ann landers... don't understand how she got this job!!!
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Friday 11 December
By Jacqui
I agree. I am baffled how she attained her position for that particular column! She must be related to some upper management personnel. :-\
Friday 11 December
By delacourte
Unlike doctors,lawyers,even guys that sell hotdogs on the street, there is no license required to be an advice columnist. You don't have to have a degree in ,well, anything.Therefore, writing to one of these people is like talking to your bartender or hairdresser. Only maybe you'd get better advice from them.
Friday 11 December
By tcher49
I'm sorry, but having worked with both rapists and rape victims, I have no problem with what Ms. Dickenson told the victim. Going to a frat house and getting drunk IS irresponsible although that does not excuse, by any stretch of the imagination, the crime that was committed against her. Any young woman who places herself in that situation is in danger, and while she did not ASK to be raped, she placed herself in a situation that made the possibility of sexual assault a reality. She IS a victim; she was victimized, and HE should be prosecuted. However, SHE is responsible for her behavior, and choosing to get drunk in a room full of college boys is stupid.
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Friday 11 December
By Linamarta
SOMEONE, FATHERS ESPECIALLY, SHOULD TEACH THOSE COLLEGE "BOYS" TO BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY BEFORE THEY GO OFF TO COLLEGE. WE DO NOT NEED EDUCATED CONTROL FREAKS ANY MORE THAN WE NEED IGNORANT CONTROL FREAKS IN OUR SOCIETY. BESIDES BEING PROSECUTED, EVERYONE OF THOSE "BOYS" IN THE ROOM, SHOULD BE EXPELLED; NOT SUSPENDED. THEY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE ACCEPTED BY ANY OTHER COLLEGE EITHER UNTIL THEY HAVE SHOWN THEY HAVE TURNED THEIR HEADS AROUND AND BE YOUNG MEN; NOT OVERGROWN "BOYS". THEIR ARE PROGRAMS FOR SUCH OFFENDERS.
HAVING A FEW DRINKS & HAVING consensual SEX IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES. THE YOUNG WOMAN HAS A RIGHT TO GO OUT TO FIND THESE CIRCUMSTANCES WITH OUT HAVING TO FEAR " THE BOYS".
MAYBE IT IS TIME FOR CONTROLLING COLUMNISTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE OFFENDERS' PROGRAMS TOO. SHE MIGHT GET A GREAT STORY OUT OF IT & LEARN SOMETHING WHILE DOING SO.
Friday 11 December
By Teddy
How do we not know that the boy and she, both, are not equally responsible, both getting drunk and engaging in behaviour that led to sex.... then, when only the woman feels bad, she distorts that into "I was raped..." when really both are too blame... When you both get drunk, you both make bad decisions and we have heard nothing from the boy's side, his side of what happened.
Aren't we making a lot of assumptions here, one that is wrong is that it is always the man who is to blame when two, a male and a female, their decision making ability distorted by booze, have bad sex they regret later.... you automatically feel bad when you drink and maybe this gal is taking feeling bad and distorting that into "I've been raped...." You don't hink rationally anyway when you drink...
Friday 11 December
By Denis Provost
Yes, but you miss the point. To tell a woman how to behave before the crime is advice, to tell her she should of behaved differently after the crime is placing blame. She may have been uneducated in the risk, or thought "it will never happen to me", but regardless of either She was raped! as well as given awful advice (blame) afterwards.
Friday 11 December
By KellyAnn
This young lady, yes did get drunk by her own admission, however she placed herself in a frat house based on the fact that she thought she was in a sfe enviroment. Up until her being raped, she honestly and apparently naively believed that she was amongst friends and other people who would never do anything horrific to her. What young person truly believes that when they are among qutie a few people, some that they know, even when alcohol is involved, a place they felt completely safe in, that something terrible will happen to them? Hind sight is twenty-twenty folks. She believed she was in a safe place when she walked through those doors-and she should have been.!
Friday 11 December
By Kevin
I keep reading these responses and the one thing every one seems to be talking around is personal responsibility. Of course it is wrong to rape ANYONE! But it is also wrong to put yourself in a position where a rape is likely! I thought we decided a long time ago that yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theatre, even though you are protected to say anything you want, is still wrong?
Saturday 12 December
By Mary
tcher49 you are 100% correct.
Saturday 12 December
By WiseWordsIndeed
Tcher49...You have PERFECTLY summarized this discussion. Kudos!!
Sunday 13 December
By rjeffe1036
I couldn't have said it better. It's common sense.
Friday 11 December
By Scott
Erin,
She hurt someone's feelings, so she should DIE a horrible death?
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Friday 11 December
By Erin
It's called sarcasm, you may have seen it on other sites, I know they don't really have it here. Sorry I offended your oh so sensitive being.
Friday 11 December
By my thoughts
It is more than hurting someones feelings .... did you read the entire article or were you just bored and decided to make some random comment????
Friday 11 December
By Davey
Get real. Nothing a woman does gives a man the right to rape her. But does that mean that we throw logic out the window? A girl who does not want to get raped might think about being careful, not getting drunk at frat parties or walking dark streets at night.
In a perfect world, a woman would be safe regardless of how egregious her behavior. But this is not a perfect world and telling a girl to be a little responsible for her own safety is not a crime.
Amy is right.
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