I have a theory about guys who turn to "The Game" and the whole Pickup Artist strategy: They're nice. There's the nice guy who's too shy for casual sex, the nice guy who keeps getting burned by crazy girlfriends, the nice guy who's constantly relegated to friend status, and so on. All nice! Until they finally snap and start thinking that women are all haughty she-devils who owe them endless blowjays in recompense for their poonless teen years.
I had a chance to test my theory recently, when Emily McCombs and I were invited to sit in on a pickup "boot camp" from Love Systems Inc. (formerly known as the Mystery Method -- yep, he of the Furry Hat). We were allowed to attend, free of the near-$3,000 cost of admission, on the condition that we be "respectful" of the instructors and the attendees.
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With a few notable exceptions, both the instructors and the students seemed pretty nice. There was a fairly wide range in race and age and even attractiveness (from a meathead with a tribal tat and wraparound shades to an English guy who could have passed for a Prada model).
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The instructors were led by "The Don," an Angeleno in a western shirt and True Religion jeans. Cute, in a Piv-dawg kind of way. (Emily and I agreed -- if he hit on us in a bar, we'd probably put out like prom dates.) He said a few seriously toolhammer things. (Like, "By the time I graduated high school, I'd f---ed at least 30 girls. In college, hundreds." Yeah, OK, bra.) But he also had a lot of practical, non-judgmental advice to give that room full of nervous, eager dudes.
The junior instructors were much less impressive. One of them looked like he could have passed for the lost Gotti grandson. (Ed Hardy shirts? Really?) Another (an excitable, emo ginger) suggested approaching a girl and telling her that you'd been staring at her and were "just wondering if there was more there than meets the eye." Oh, buddy. I'm guessing some mace is eventually going to meet your eye.
Piv-Dawgs in Training
Maybe it's because I, myself, sleep with terrible guys, but I felt like anybody who has $3,000 to toss around in the first place has a leg up on most of the young turks out there. It was interesting to see the kinds of dudes -- again, most of them not bad-looking -- who would spend the equivalent of a trip to Thailand (where their cash might be better spent, wink wink) to have a bunch of men wearing jewelry tell them how to pick up chicks.
It seemed like most of them were just clueless. The English guy was cute, sure -- but was so rudderless socially that he'd barely made it to third base after six months in the states. Another guy, an M.B.A. type with a shaved head, said he'd already found a wonderful girl, but that he'd broken up with her when he found himself wondering if he couldn't do better. The rest of them seemed like they just genuinely wanted their hands held a little when it came to sealing the deal with a really hot girl.
The Syllabus of Sexytime
The class taught practical stuff, like easy conversation starters that the guys could use to approach a group of women at a bar. It was your basic "Intro to Improv" stuff -- harmless, except for the fact that the Love Systems guys were essentially encouraging these dudes to make up outlandish stories ("I'm growing a mustache for charity! Do you like it?") to get a foot in the door.
Thankfully, much of the goofy, condescending tactics like "kino-escalation" ("accidentally" touching a girl) and "negging" (insulting her to get her to shame-bang you) that Mystery popularized have been abandoned in favor of confidence-building techniques. I only wish that the instructors would have reminded the guys that women are just people -- not Cave of Wonder vaginas accessible by a secret password -- but I think a few of them probably didn't get that themselves.
Emily and I had, um, prior commitments, so we left before the Don and Co. could accompany the boys into the wilds of the Meatpacking District for field research. All told, I don't know that I'd recommend the seminars -- feminism aside, they're exploitative based on the price alone. That said, I would, however, highly encourage any guy with three G's and questions about girls to send both in a self-addressed, stamped envelope, care of me and Emily, Lemondrop dot com, The Internet, USA.
(For more on the seminar, read Emily's version over at our brother site, Asylum.com.)
Julieanne Smolinski is an editor for Lemondrop. She has no game whatsoever.












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Saturday 17 July
By Common Sense
I've talked to women all shapes & all sizes. I prefer women who are generally considered average because they have meat. I personally never understood why fashion and men's magazines always show models or celebrities who are skin & bone but they do. I've lost out on love I'm sure many times because of being nice & caring or dating women who want that but found my shyness or caring to not be enough "excitement" as a bad boy but I've also learned as a result that once in a while playing the bad boy & being a little assertive or even aggressive sexually is what nice guys are really missing. Sexually I've found most women want the the aggressive assertive so called confidence that is displayed when a "jerk" tries to kiss her or balls out tries to grab her ass or boob especially after he managed to score the kiss. You know that suprise feeling when she's standing there doing something boring & he comes up behind her pulls her close picks her up and passionately kisses her while carring her over to the bed or something. Having said that once the sex or love making is over most women want him to go back to the nice guy who'll cuddle or remember her birthday or what she wore on their first date, getting her a card or flowers just to show he cares once in a while & not just when he wants sex. I've learned guys are two speeds & only two speeds fast or slow while women are steady in between & who can blame them. Its fun being surpised & having sex unfortunately there's a time & place for it for most women though I think.
The article I found to confirm the same thing I've learned it's easier to spice up the nice guys then tame the dragons. Just my penny of thought though.
Thursday 16 July
By aguy
beatfreak, if I was going to approach a girl at a library, she'd have to be really pretty. But honestly, I don't think I ever have -- who talks to girls at libraries? Maybe these pick-up artists looking to get laid, but most single guys are not cruising the produce lines trying to talk to women. But anyway, if you wanna get more attention -- go to the gym! do yoga! lose weight! get lean! and dress well. most girls could look a lot better than average if they made an effort...
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Sunday 23 August
By mckenna
This article, as the writer claims, is an attempt to test a theory. Unfortunetly, the test results per the writer is that she would not recommend the seminar to a friend. The reason? Price! So, simply, she sees no value in the seminar. Fair enough.
However, this probably explains why she continues to make bad decisions about who she sleeps with and her decision to plurilize "terrible guys" is an indication of her own insecurities and unaddressed inner issues. My point, is found no more clearer, than in her statement about how she and her friend would have "put out out like "prom queens".
The reason for the "more that meets the eye" opener, is to qualify a female and find out more about who they are, rather than rely just on looks. Perhaps, the writer could have learned a lesson from that opener. Obviously, she is doing no qualifiyng of her MANY(guysssss) bed partners.
And, who says that guys are there for sex only? I didn't see where she wrote anything about where the "Don and Co." even merely talked about sex. She was the only one talking about sex and blowjays.
She criticizes not only the men in attendence but women as well by coining prom queens as sluts while subtley claiming to be a feminist. All the while exposing her own inner issues by attacking the "teen years" of the men in attendence. She doesn't even get to the second paragraph before she starts the attacks. Her claim that the nice guys have a sudden epiphamy of women as she-devils is unfounded. Where has she the proof to support this loose claim? These guys want to know how to date women...not devils.
The average critic of these seminars and pick-up in general tend to focus on the one-liners and sex as the focus their criticism. This is really nothing more than their lack of understanding of this commiunity. Their is alot more to this than openers and women. This is about men too. About bettering yourself all the way around. To become a better person throughout. And hopefully, in the end, to find a great person to be with.
Their is no complete focus on only "hot girls" as the writer claims in the piece. In fact, most of this community consits of average looking people who want nothing more than a healthy relationship with another average looking. person.
It's unfortunate the writer could not overcome her insecurities for the sake of introducing this community to her readers. I think if her readers research the pick-up community further, they will see alot of comparisons between our movement and the feminist movement. I ask that the regular readers of this site think for themselves and seek out the truth.
In conclusion, I would like to defend all prom queens from the writers Karl Rove tactics of lable and divide. Jeb Bush could maybe use her in a couple of years.
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Tuesday 21 July
By Jon
I had, um, prior commitments, Meatpacking District, money better spent, wink wink
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Thursday 23 July
By sprklbird
Honestly I married the "good guy" and you know what? He didn't need some outrageous made up story or a one-time pick up line. He just had to be himself he said the sweetest thing to get us dating and it was "Do you want to be my girlfriend?" NOT "Hey nice clothes, they would look even better on my floor!" WTF?? News flash if your looking for a real relationship there is more to it than sex, which I found attractive in my husbands use of "girlfriend" which implies an emotional connection and not just a sexual one like the later statement. If sex is all your looking for than don't get pissy if all you get are one-night sluts you get what you get. Now should you improve on things that may prevent you from being yourself around others? Yes of course, I myself have/had self esteem issues that I have worked on for years mostly concerning my body and self image. Once I had those issue under control I stopped be the slightly shy social retard I used to be and now my poor husband has to deal with everyone one else knowing I'm a wonderful, sexually attractive, intelligent person also.[He doesn't really mind ;) ] So if said seminars boosts your self confidence and gets you past some of the issues thats holding you back from being yourself then go for it. Just make sure your using as a tool and not a crutch.
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Thursday 23 July
By sprklbird
Honestly I married the "good guy" and you know what? He didn't need some outrageous made up story or a one-time pick up line. He just had to be himself he said the sweetest thing to get us dating and it was "Do you want to be my girlfriend?" NOT "Hey nice clothes, they would look even better on my floor!" WTF?? News flash if your looking for a real relationship there is more to it than sex, which I found attractive in my husbands use of "girlfriend" which implies an emotional connection and not just a sexual one like the later statement. If sex is all your looking for than don't get pissy if all you get are one-night sluts you get what you get. Now should you improve on things that may prevent you from being yourself around others? Yes of course, I myself have/had self esteem issues that I have worked on for years mostly concerning my body and self image. Once I had those issues under control I stopped being the slightly shy social retard I used to be and now my poor husband has to deal with everyone one else knowing I'm a wonderful, sexually attractive, intelligent person also.[He doesn't really mind ;) ] So if said seminars boosts your self confidence and gets you past some of the issues thats holding you back from being yourself then go for it. Just make sure your using as a tool and not a crutch.
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Saturday 01 August
By Eric Cartman
Here are some pick up artist secrets by Mystery http://www.pickupartistvideos.com/Mystery
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Sunday 30 August
By Hannah
Talk about exploitative, this article is exactly the kind of crap that makes guys think they have to have slept with a girl every three months or have had sex with 10 people before they can be considered a successful male. I'd take a mildly awkward guy with a sense of decency and a shred of purity ANY DAY over this "Piv-dawg" who the author would apparently fling herself at. And why would anyone who always "sleeps with terrible guys" be offering her advice to anyone? I've dated so many guys who express their confusion about why the jerky male whores get all the girls and the nice guys finish last. I just want those nice guys to know: stay nice! There is a NICE girl out there who wants you! She may not "put out" immediately, but hopefully you're mature enough to recognize that as strength of character, and not a character flaw.
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Monday 07 September
By Pickup Artist
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Friday 18 September
By guiltless male
The average male has 7 (sex) partners in his life. Thats pathetic. Average women have such a better sex life than average males. Not to say that a simple number is the indicator of a good sex life, but how can you be a good lover if you've only had a few lovers? I'm not saying its bad to have only seven partners, I'm saying that most men have only seven partners because its all they can get! If you find happiness in these seven (or less.. or more..) fine! But its a shame that men can't have the sex lives they want! Also(aside from sex) , how can you know what type of women are out there if you don't date around? How can you know what is to be had if you never look around? Every man needs to be able to find new partners or else he'll end up settling for whoever finds him. This is the sad story of most men.. Also remember the 80/20 rule of thumb: About 20% of males mate with 80% of females.. This is true in certain circles of the animal kingdom as well as the human race.. Why are you sitting out when you could be one of the 20%? (If that intrests you, of course)
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Wednesday 27 January
By Joe
Women talk about wanting the nice guy but we all know the truth. Pick up is all about creating attraction in a way that cannot be explained. Attraction is not a choice is a common phrase one hears in the community. So that said how does a man generate this attraction especially in a setting where time is limited, music may be loud and first impressions count for a lot? Well you do your homework. As guys we learn about what makes women tick (which then cannot even explain themselves).
Pick up is all about learning about the process of attraction and how to make a great first impression. Women like to make fun of men that want to learn more about the psychology of women but at the same time complain when guys “just don’t get it”. We want to understand and some of us are actually doing something about it. Obviously there are some guys that simply want to rack up their numbers but on the whole I would say that it is just an honest desire to learn how to meet a great woman, at least that is how I view it.
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Saturday 06 February
By Bear
It's very easy to go to a seminar about success with women and go "hahaha thatl never work!" especially easy when you don't attend the infield portion of the progam. well kindly tell us what does? maybe market and sell it for 3gs.I think it's interesting that the author suggests that looks and money are the primary attraction factors, then bashes the good looking, financially stable British guy for not having very good social skills. Social skills are just that. Skills. A skill can be learned not from a seminar, but practice. A seminar is for the purpose of inspiration. To be clear, this is true for ANY self help seminar.
FoR the girl that complains men don approach the "average girl", this isn't entirely true. Most men simply don't approach for ego protection. The "hot" girls get even fewer approaches and often the approaches are very bad, because the guy gets psyched out. Do what you can with what you have. Gym, beautician, and cultivate a loving, happy, and open personality.
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Sunday 23 January
By John
Thank you for this article! I've wanted to see an unbiased review of a pua product.
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Tuesday 09 August
By Willis Combs
Great article! I personally have never attended seminars but being a single guy (and a nice one) I have looked for pertinent information on how to meet more women.
Unfortunately all the BS I have seen out there would only be believed by a guy with minimal if not no experience with women! Complete lies and on the few occasions it would help - you would be picking up the last women you wanted to sleep with!!
Further isn't the goal meeting the right women - not just sleeping with her! So should these men be taught how to talk and get to know women and if anything work on themselves in displaying the attractive qualities they already posses?
Willis Combs
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